FlyingR6

Someone correct me here if I read that memo wrong. It basically said that if we use more than 12 sick days a year, unless we get a doctors note, we will get in trouble.

Wasnt the threshold for people to get into trouble during negotiations 20 days?

Seems like we got neutered here a little bit, I don't think 3 four days a year is that much.

Gary et al

There is no declared number in the negotiated contract.

ReserveCA

Potential grievance?

fcoolaiddrinker

Prudent judgment policy language didn’t change. What stood out to me in the memo was the statement in pjp “pilots using the pjp “commuter” clause, will be required to provide documentation that shows two reasonable attempts were made to commute in”. This is contrary to past practice and there’s no language requiring it. Hopefully it will be addressed by union leadership.

FlyingR6

You are correct, however we are still bound by things like the employee handbook, which wasn't negotiated. This seems like that kind of scenario.

fcoolaiddrinker

This is going to be addressed. The 12 sick in a calendar year is also against statues que. sick didn’t change either. Just the sick makeup. The company is pretty far outside the negotiated language on this one IMO. Thier stretching on the doctors note as well. With the 2 weeks requirement.

Gary et al

I understand what you are saying. And I left my original post short for a reason.

But comparing it to the employee handbook is exactly what they want you to do. The fact is that we negotiated the ability to have sick days and to use them. The company wants to change the precedence, and it's past practice.

It will certainly argue:
4. The Company retains the right to request that a Pilot who is absent due to illness or injury furnish the Company with a physician’s certificate, describing the medical condition that resulted in the Pilot’s absence. This request shall only be made when there is a reasonable basis to question the Pilot’s absence.

There is no number, but what is reasonable to the company sounds like 12 days. The company wants to get a number out of the union so that they have something more than vague words to work with, and it will work. Otherwise, in time the company with bring this to an arbitrator who will determine when a pilot should be required to furnish proof regarding the absence.

The examples they use are a bit ridiculous...obviously. What about the guy with young kids and a working spouse, thought he was going to work when he went to sleep, woke up and found out the kids were sick and the spouse is out of sick time so to not take a pay hit he calls in and stays home with the kids. Not sick enough to need to go to the doctor, but don't need to be/shouldn't be going to school/day care. That could easily happen a couple times a year, plus maybe one sick call for yourself. Now you'll need to go to the doctor so they can say, yes, you're sick. What a joke.

fcoolaiddrinker

The good news is the language didn’t change so practice is set. It’s going to be hard for them to make a 12 day argument with the fact I can use sick for multiple family members. The company will lose on this in arbitration IMO. I’ll bet they walk some of this back within a week or 2. At first glance there’s 3 contract violations in just this memo so I’m talking sick (12 days annually) and pjp (requiring proof) Losers for the company.

CantStayAway

Or the union will just give them an LOA solidifying a number in the contract.

fcoolaiddrinker

I sure hope your wrong on that. I don’t see that happening.