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LFDR2pointNo 02-27-2023 09:32 PM


Originally Posted by nochopforboxes (Post 3599000)
People keep mentioning hotel costs... Yet our flight attendants (4-5 per pairing) have 3-4 day trips. So why is the company only focusing on 1-2 day pairings for pilots?

Flight attendant duty limits are more forgiving of delays
Flight attendant hotels are less expensive

Beyond that, I have no idea and wonder the same.

VASBYT 02-28-2023 08:26 AM


Originally Posted by hercretired (Post 3598931)
Historically, a base has needed 20-ish direct flights to other cities as Step-1 before consideration for base. It has also needed on-site local Airbus maintenance talent, contractor or otherwise, and hangar space for overnight maintenance or maintenance while bad weather existed.

A large number of TDY/RON/overnights in that location was also a consideration, as this cost the company alot of money.

IAH has 6 cities served by Frontier
HOU has 3 cities.

CLE and CVG each have 11 or 12 cities

so...

If you really want to get technical:

CVG - 11 (DEN, LAS, PHX, CUN, MIA, RSW, TPA, MCO, ATL, RDU, PHL)
CLE - 13 (DEN, LAS, PHX, DFW, CUN, MIA, FLL, RSW, TPA, MCO, ATL, RDU, PHL)
DFW - 19 (DEN, LAS, PHX, SFO, ONT, SNA, SAN, CUN, MBJ, MIA, TPA, MCO, ATL, RDU, BWI, PHL, LGA, CLE, MDW)
IAH - 6 (DEN, LAS, CUN, MCO, ATL, PHL)
HOU - 4 (DEN, LAS, CUN, MCO)

I doubt either IAH or HOU will ever be a base. Flying out of either airport has not picked up since Nov '22. We will have nine bases starting in May. IMO, a base would have to be within the top 15 preforming locations consistently before being considered. Let's see where things are starting May through the summer.

Mooneyguy 02-28-2023 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by nochopforboxes (Post 3599000)
People keep mentioning hotel costs... Yet our flight attendants (4-5 per pairing) have 3-4 day trips. So why is the company only focusing on 1-2 day pairings for pilots?

they are starting to shrink pairing lengths for FA’s too. Not as fast as they have done to t he pilot but it’s happening.

BiffleBalls 03-01-2023 07:46 AM


Originally Posted by Mooneyguy (Post 3597725)
correct. Den is a high cost airport. We don’t do high cost airports. Den is not going to grow, even with Barry’s outdoor gates that will cut turn times “in half”

Speaking of "Barry’s outdoor gates", what is going on with that? Every time I taxi by the east end of the A concourse it looks like nothing is happening out there. What gives?

DumboDrop 03-01-2023 03:09 PM


Originally Posted by BiffleBalls (Post 3599925)
Speaking of "Barry’s outdoor gates", what is going on with that? Every time I taxi by the east end of the A concourse it looks like nothing is happening out there. What gives?

It's winter?

BiffleBalls 03-01-2023 03:10 PM


Originally Posted by DumboDrop (Post 3600326)
It's winter?

No construction in winter? That's a new one. I wonder how the airport ever could have been built in the first place if that were true...

hercretired 03-01-2023 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by BiffleBalls (Post 3599925)
Speaking of "Barry’s outdoor gates", what is going on with that? Every time I taxi by the east end of the A concourse it looks like nothing is happening out there. What gives?

Per article below: The first phase of the project including the first four gates is targeted for completion in fall 2023 with full project completion slated for summer 2024, according to Frontier.

https://www.9news.com/article/travel...c-6460afcfc2a7

WeiserTraffic 03-02-2023 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by VASBYT (Post 3599343)
If you really want to get technical:

CVG - 11 (DEN, LAS, PHX, CUN, MIA, RSW, TPA, MCO, ATL, RDU, PHL)
CLE - 13 (DEN, LAS, PHX, DFW, CUN, MIA, FLL, RSW, TPA, MCO, ATL, RDU, PHL)
DFW - 19 (DEN, LAS, PHX, SFO, ONT, SNA, SAN, CUN, MBJ, MIA, TPA, MCO, ATL, RDU, BWI, PHL, LGA, CLE, MDW)
IAH - 6 (DEN, LAS, CUN, MCO, ATL, PHL)
HOU - 4 (DEN, LAS, CUN, MCO)

I doubt either IAH or HOU will ever be a base. Flying out of either airport has not picked up since Nov '22. We will have nine bases starting in May. IMO, a base would have to be within the top 15 preforming locations consistently before being considered. Let's see where things are starting May through the summer.

So it looks like that’s 10 departures per day between IAH/HOU. What about a dual base?

Stayontarget 03-02-2023 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by WeiserTraffic (Post 3600833)
So it looks like that’s 10 departures per day between IAH/HOU. What about a dual base?

I’m sure others will chime in on this one but I am guessing that will be a company ask in the next round. I think FAs already have it. But this is going to be a big ask so what’s the company willing to give us for it? It had better be big because Chicago, Dallas, Phoenix, Philly, and Miami all could be used as dual bases. Obviously other cities could too but just thinking about bases we had/have.

Aero1900 03-02-2023 10:35 AM

We have already operated dual bases for pilots in the past.
Chicago used to serve both airports. Convenient for commuters! Lol

I don't believe there's anything in our contract preventing them from doing it again. Correct me if I'm wrong


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