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dracir1 03-02-2023 12:10 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3600848)
We have already operated dual bases for pilots in the past.
Chicago used to serve both airports. Convenient for commuters! Lol

I don't believe there's anything in our contract preventing them from doing it again. Correct me if I'm wrong

Rumor mill has it that the company is regretting closing CHI. I wouldn't be surprised if it opened back up. And, in the past, it was labeled CHI to accommodate both ORD and MDW. I would find it hard to believe those who were based there prior would have too much heartburn w/ a dual base.

They are also ailing wrt the non-Spirit merger. Of course, they'd never admit it and are continuing to try and make moves that help (ala cadet programs and bonuses) but overall, it seems like our mgt staffed is overmatched. Every airline that ever failed had a CEO at the time (making millions I might add) trying their best. I'm not so sure BB and BL are up to the task. Stock holders aren't stupid. Maybe it's just me, but it seems like the CEOs who make the most videos and/or seem to be the most vocal (BB, Kirby, etc.) are the ones who are trying the most spin. If things were going well, all the extra trying wouldn't be necessary.

Somethings gonna give sooner or later...

HacksawDuggan 03-02-2023 01:27 PM

What about a reserve pilot that had no expectation of living within two hours of both airports in a given city.

FWIW, the vp of network spoke with our RGS recently and poured cold water on any consideration of MDW being a base after the numbers from fall came in.

dracir1 03-02-2023 01:41 PM


Originally Posted by HacksawDuggan (Post 3600969)
What about a reserve pilot that had no expectation of living within two hours of both airports in a given city.

FWIW, the vp of network spoke with our RGS recently and poured cold water on any consideration of MDW being a base after the numbers from fall came in.

And therein lies the problem w/ our mgt...

ONE fall shouldn't be the reason for closing/not opening a base. We have seasonal bases (Miami), smaller bases (Tampa) and will probably open up a base in CVG or CLE which certainly aren't traditional base types (all the majors left them).

Bases should be based on volume of flying over a given period of time (longer than a few months).

turbojet28 03-02-2023 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by HacksawDuggan (Post 3600969)
What about a reserve pilot that had no expectation of living within two hours of both airports in a given city.

FWIW, the vp of network spoke with our RGS recently and poured cold water on any consideration of MDW being a base after the numbers from fall came in.

Southwest probably noticed us over in the corner doing more flying and decided to stomp its foot down to scare us. We then think the sky is falling and take our toys and go home (or to DFW, PHX, and SJU)

dracir1 03-02-2023 02:16 PM


Originally Posted by HacksawDuggan (Post 3600969)
the vp of network spoke with our RGS...

BTW, how many VPs do we have? I've actually looked for an org chart to no avail. You would think we're some HUGE airline. We have less than 200 planes and 2000 pilots and probably have 6 to 9 VPs.

WTF does the VP of networking do? Run the tiny, low traffic website? And why would he/she have a RGS speaking part?

There are so many bizarre/non-standard things about this airline, I'm kinda wondering....what do we do WELL?

OscarRomeo 03-02-2023 02:23 PM


Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 3601006)
BTW, how many VPs do we have? I've actually looked for an org chart to no avail. You would think we're some HUGE airline. We have less than 200 planes and 2000 pilots and probably have 6 to 9 VPs.

WTF does the VP of networking do? Run the tiny, low traffic website? And why would he/she have a RGS speaking part?

There are so many bizarre/non-standard things about this airline, I'm kinda wondering....what do we do WELL?

Pretty sure that’s “network” as in our flight network, not playing on the internet.

Aero1900 03-02-2023 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by OscarRomeo (Post 3601010)
Pretty sure that’s “network” as in our flight network, not playing on the internet.

Yeah. D.S. His title used to have the word "Network" in it but now he's the VP Commercial. I think he's in charge of both planning the routes/ city pairs and how to make money. He spoke a lot about generating revenue and ancillary revenue. It's a big job for him.

Why anyone from upper management comes into our ground schools is beyond me. I like when they do but it makes little sense

planejoe 03-02-2023 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3601102)

Why anyone from upper management comes into our ground schools is beyond me. I like when they do but it makes little sense


So when they get home and grab a beer they can come on here and have a good laugh.

Aero1900 03-02-2023 05:14 PM


Originally Posted by planejoe (Post 3601103)
So when they get home and grab a beer they can come on here and have a good laugh.

I do think they probably find it entertaining. I think BL kind of likes the occasional hostile questions. I was in a class a couple years ago and he really got beat up by my class. He seemed to enjoy it

hercretired 03-02-2023 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by WeiserTraffic (Post 3600833)
So it looks like that’s 10 departures per day between IAH/HOU. What about a dual base?

See above. 20 a day, mas or menos, for any base.

10 at HOU, 10 at IAH, maybe

5 and 5? no


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