Be happy they came with anything? Haha. Ok.

Let’s talk in 12 months. They don’t want a deal. If they did they wouldn’t be talking about any concessions. Zero.

 

Maybe by then ZJX will be fully staffed and the business model will be viable.

 

When is the strike vote?

 

In five years when we don’t have a contract. Were you expecting one earlier than that?

 

A strike authorization vote is different than actually going on strike. I mean, probably 2 or so years before we vote on that.

I feel like this will be a very frustrating time frame. We know the company isn't going to negotiate in good faith and do all their shady stuff, but there is a prescribed time line for everything. We still have 6 months before we can even get a national mediator. Also, remember, it's just a mediator, not an arbitrator. They can't decide squat, only recommend and suggest.

Buckle up kids

 

Take a look at what Allegiant is doing to their pilot group. Making less than regionals and still no agreement. I expect the same.

 

Based on the contract comparison put out by ALPA; Frontier Pilots are last in almost every single metric when compared to the industry. LAST!

After the first week of negotiations our VP of flight operations puts out a video on how the company wants concessions on the one or two work rules that make this place bearable to work. This management is a joke.

I see two options at this point. Sharpen your pitchforks or sharpen your pencil and start filling out applications. If you weren’t here for last round of negotiations, dig in it’s going to be a long, painful, ugly ride.

If you took the $50,000 bonus hopefully you didn’t spend it. If you did; UAL, AAL, DAL 2nd year rates are about $50 more per hour so you will break even pretty darn quickly. RUN!

 

If I may….the first thing I did as soon as I saw the email with the video link was to delete it. Union busting 101…do not watch those videos, they are designed to divide and conquer the pilot group.
Let the union speak for us and let the union inform us.

 

I don't think they can wait... Literally cannot afford it. 30% of our seniority list is on probation? I would imagine back in 2017, only maybe 5% was on probation.

If there is a subpar contract or offer, more will leave. The airline will go under with everyone bailing.

It is standard practice in negotiating to open with a poor offer and see what the other side will meet on. I couldn't imagine a company opening with all the golden geese right off the bat without at least trying for something less before hand.

 

I hope you’re right….but this right here is one of the reasons I left. Being in my late 30’s I have a decent amount of time left but not enough time to neglect the wave currently going on at legacies. Yeah I lost some QOL for the time being but will be living in base by Oct and upgrading in that base in 2.5-3.5 years. More like 1.5-2 years from now if I felt like commuting. I saw Frontier was able to fill classes when I was still there and it began to make me nervous about how drawn out this could potentially get. The people who were around for last negotiations all claimed it took years then and those pay rates were a joke then so no reason to believe it won’t happen again. I honestly can’t believe given the state of things management initially opens up hinting at concessions on things that ultimately keep Frontier separate from legacies and ultimately keep a lot of people around. I had a choice to make,,jump on the seniority train now while it’s moving or give Frontier years of my life hoping it becomes something it may not.