I think in BL's mind, the 30% on probation are locked down for 3 years at Frontier.

You and I know they will leave but, I don't think that they think the same way.

 

I am definitely curious how many have taken and paid back the 50k to move on so far.

 

The sooner everyone on both sides accept that this is not a "negotiation", but rather a demand for an acceptable contract with improvements for the pilot group in all aspects, the sooner we can move forward with something meaningful.

 

Allegiant guys have been saying the same thing. How’s it working out over there?

BF recently said the good thing with all the airbuses indigo has on order is that they’re flexible with how they choose to allocate them… ie all the airbuses we have on order that were touted to us in our interview are by no means a guarantee. anyone expecting a quick contract because all the planes we are planned to get are naive and choosing to believe a comfortable fantasy rather the ugly truth of a long and ugly contract process

 

The undeniable truth is that if you stay at Frontier you will not make as much money as if you leave, even if you are a captain.. The gains in soft money in the legacy contracts are huge, and we have BL - the least interesting man in the world - trying to claw back what little we have. This is contract negotiation idiocy is going to go on again in 5 years after the new contract is in place - rinse, repeat. In the meantime management is turning Frontier into a regional airline. They don't care about retaining pilots with experience and I am starting the believe that they would love for pilots on the 12 year pay scale to take a hike. Very senior captains are leaving, you will be amazed....

 

Again
regardless of seat ……. 45 or under? RUN!

 

people bailing....

interesting to see how the BB plans to operate all the newly-arriving airplanes being added to the fleet if he has no crews to fly them

 

30% of the seniority list on probation, losing 1.2 people a day, constantly fluctuating around 2000 pilots... gonna be interesting.

 

The amount of captains leaving for legacies truly define what this place has become. How can pilot recruiting put a straight face on as they parade around spewing false hope.

 

I am a 2016 hire and I was here for the last round of negotiations. I remember how contentious it got. I have no misconceptions that this round will go any smoother.

Since we signed our last CBA though I thought this was my career airline. I live in base and enjoy an overall nice QOL.

IF all of the deliveries show up as advertised then, yes the seniority gains look very promising. But I can’t shake the gnawing feeling that F9’s trajectory is to fully embrace the regional airline management style. F9’s management has maybe the most hostile posturing of any current airline in the US.

It has finally reached the point for me though that I have applied at the legacy carriers. This management group makes me think it’s too risky for my future to stay and try and ride out the growth in seniority. Leaving to start at the bottom of a legacy feels like the safer long term move.

There are so many “death by a thousand cuts” anecdotes on these forums that are very accurate that have inched me closer and closer to applying elsewhere. However the the final straw for me was BL’s video last week talking about concessionary language for our pilot group. In an unprecedented hiring wave for pilots, where we’ve never seen such strong contractual gains as an industry, this horse’s arrse has the nerve to talk directly to the pilot group and tell us that he needs concessionary language so that “override pay rewards more block time flown”.

Sorry for the long winded post but I’ve reached the point where the juice is no longer worth the squeeze. I never thought I’d reach this point. Driving to work, enjoying a flexible schedule (which the company wants to reduce flexibility), and trying to capitalize on soft pay provisions in our CBA so that I might earn CLOSE to what my legacy peers earn is too risky for me to stay. If I stay here and this place fully becomes a ULCC “regional” I will have missed my opportunity elsewhere.

Coming to F9 from a regional airline or in lieu of a regional makes sense. I would just encourage people not to get too comfortable while you’re here like I did. I’ve already missed out on huge seniority gains by staying here hoping this place would become something it’s not.

PS this switch from Jeppesen to Lido charts feels like icing on the cake.