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Originally Posted by LinaPeru
(Post 3912080)
FYI. Haven’t read the email this morning |
Originally Posted by AutoBrksMedium
(Post 3912100)
is there some nefarious advantage to this or are they just being d***heads?
The coalition began by trying to remove a member of the Negotiating Committee shortly after Christmas, allegedly over “personal disagreements and misunderstandings. ”After being met with resistance, they threatened roll call votes to force through their agenda, including removing committee members and changing rules to make it easier to remove union volunteers. The dissenting reps argue that no professional or financial misconduct justifies these actions, and conclude: “The message has been and is now abundantly clear: Dissent and disagreement will be punished.” Power consolidation, vendettas, or silencing opposition. But, no specific motivations were stated. |
I thought it was pretty clear in the originating email that the two LECs that represent two of the biggest populations of pilots (thus having more influence through the processes mentioned) and particularly senior bases (MCO, DEN, TPA) had reps that were essentially trying to threaten or hold hostage certain matters that weren't in line with what the broader population of pilots wanted.
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It’s obvious that one side is claiming the other side is not acting in the best interest of the pilot group. The original question was what’s the advantage of doing this.
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Originally Posted by LinaPeru
(Post 3912142)
It’s obvious that one side is claiming the other side is not acting in the best interest of the pilot group. The original question was what’s the advantage of doing this.
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so if the union can't agree with themselves, how can we get company management to agree with the union
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Originally Posted by Windsor
(Post 3912144)
It's called politics. Basically the Republicans with more votes and sway didn't fall in line with the Democrats wishes and used their ALPA given powers to throw their political weight around. The Democrats, aka little LEC members, didn't like that they got out politic'd so they stomped their little feet and said they weren't going to play anymore. High school drama with the filet and lobster group.
The MEC chair also sent an email in support of the dissenting reps. That to me says a lot. I do think they all need to get the house in order. This is the worse time to have a non unified and cohesive group. |
Originally Posted by Windsor
(Post 3912073)
JL has to go. He's responsible for our current substandard contract (no voter here). It will be more of the same horrid language that the company will run freight trains through the loop holes. Non utilization of good sections of the contract because it says "at company's discretion" and plain old disregard for the contract. Anyone remember from the road shows how JL was touting how great our new and improved grievance process will be?? How'd that work out for us? 1000+ open grievances right now?
I voted no in 19 because i didn't think this contract was good enough. I've been proven correct. JL should not have been given another chance to negotiate for us. I do not condone the actions by the LEC reps who sent the email yesterday and i certainly dont condone the actions by MM. His video was a MM puff piece. He says "I" like he's a 5 star general running the union himself. The union is a "we" program. MM has shown he has no real leadership skills by letting the union operate in such a dysfunctional clown show. He needs to go as well. it seems like it’s time for the online lurkers like myself to become more engaged. The Denver captain rep has treated our new hire cadet and RTAG pilots like trash. That’s not unity. The MCO CA rep is hosts fly ins with our management team. That’s just tone deaf. what would you say if JL was doing that? |
Originally Posted by Windsor
(Post 3912144)
It's called politics. Basically the Republicans with more votes and sway didn't fall in line with the Democrats wishes and used their ALPA given powers to throw their political weight around. The Democrats, aka little LEC members, didn't like that they got out politic'd so they stomped their little feet and said they weren't going to play anymore. High school drama with the filet and lobster group.
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Originally Posted by Windsor
(Post 3912073)
JL has to go. He's responsible for our current substandard contract (no voter here). It will be more of the same horrid language that the company will run freight trains through the loop holes. Non utilization of good sections of the contract because it says "at company's discretion" and plain old disregard for the contract. Anyone remember from the road shows how JL was touting how great our new and improved grievance process will be?? How'd that work out for us? 1000+ open grievances right now?
I voted no in 19 because i didn't think this contract was good enough. I've been proven correct. JL should not have been given another chance to negotiate for us. I do not condone the actions by the LEC reps who sent the email yesterday and i certainly dont condone the actions by MM. His video was a MM puff piece. He says "I" like he's a 5 star general running the union himself. The union is a "we" program. MM has shown he has no real leadership skills by letting the union operate in such a dysfunctional clown show. He needs to go as well. Helpful. |
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