Anybody have a way to see our route overlap currently?

 

Most legacies (maybe not AA) are in that financial position already, no? Frontier will also able to raise prices on routes that overlapped with Spirit’s that aren’t served by legacies.

 

Well that's certainly a negative thought.

Honestly, I don't think the legacies even care about us. I don't think they give us 2 thoughts. I just looked at flights to get home if my trip comes apart and the Frontier flight was $220, SWA was $579 and United was $829. (Last minute, one way)

They don't care about our pricing. They are way more focused on their business and international travelers. We aren't even an afterthought.

Spirit going under is going to reduce capacity a little bit and help us out.

 

The so called consolidation in the ULCC sector is not really consolidation at all. It is the elimination of it. Only the smaller players are likely to survive. A truly fair and balanced market would require government intervention, with policies designed to create an environment where ULCCs can actually thrive. But the reality is that the government neither understands nor seems interested in doing that.



Meanwhile, the legacy carriers are absolute geniuses in their strategy. No one is stopping their dominance, and the government is clearly not capable of doing so. The JetBlue Spirit tie up blockage is a perfect example. It demonstrates the government’s inability to see the long term consequences of its own decisions. By blocking the merger in an attempt preserve competition sheds light on their ineptitude in understanding the market. They have actually cleared the way for zero real competition, leaving ULCCs increasingly squeezed out of the market.

 

lol, I’ll believe this once Kirby stops mentioning frontier in every other interview.

 

United has had a long, passionate hate for us. They do talk about us a lot I know. But I don't think they are doing anything about us. Oscar and Kirby have spoken at length about how we suck and are going out of business. They've been saying that for 20 years.

But the reality is they are laser focused on the business travelers and the international markets. They just don't care that much about the Cleveland to Orlando economy market. Spirit going under isn't going to get them real excited to come and try to destroy us all of a sudden.

 

The government should not be interfering with free market practices. We do not live in North Korea.

The reverse argument to your position is

"The government should not have allowed Jetblue and Spirit to merge. Now, with the approved merger, they have cleared the way for zero real competition"

the government has no business interfering in free market activity. If Spirit dies because GTF engines sucked but the CEO wanted to say 25 cents per engine over LEAPs, then that is on them. If Spirit dies because management never reigned in customer services issues, and a notorious brand reputation, that is on them.

Ultimately, this is at the feet of management.

 

it’s the government’s job to actually manage business practices so it doesn’t hurt the consumer. lol. That is exactly the role of the government. Just like it is the government’s job to make sure products being sold are safe. Just like it’s the government’s job to govern for the many not just the few. Ffs. People need to go read up on the role of the government again.

1. The act or process of governing, especially the control and administration of public policy in a political unit.

The public interest or public good as expressed in principles that guide the interpretation and enforcement of the law.


so yes, they are responsible for making things better for the public. Not a single business entity.

 

mandate standards for business conduct and products? Yes. Is insider trading legal? No. Should seat belts be safe? Yes. At night, are headlights required to be installed for night driving? Yes

internal business mismanagement is not the governments job. the government cannot even manage themselves

 

I think it’s a personal dislike between BB and SK from when they worked together at American.