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Old 09-06-2023 | 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Mugatu
Lack of training? Geez. Three legs and I was comfortable with it. I would be embarrassed, both professionally and personally, to call the FAA safety hotline over something like this.
No kidding. I can hardly believe how difficult this was for some people. I'm lazy, tech averse and dumb but I found switching to Lido easy.
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Old 09-06-2023 | 08:06 AM
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I believe the correct adjectives to describe Lido are; annoying, inferior, and clumsy.

Unsafe? No.
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Old 09-06-2023 | 08:45 AM
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I’m just over here waiting on the money I’ll see from frontier using this cheaper product and saving money that they will give back to the pilots, right?
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Old 09-06-2023 | 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by DontStahl320
I’m just over here waiting on the money I’ll see from frontier using this cheaper product and saving money that they will give back to the pilots, right?
or reinvesting it into the operation so we aren't constantly behind the curve when it comes to performance and metrics...

Probably just lining execs pockets a little more or showing some slightly higher margins for investors.
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Old 09-06-2023 | 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by DontStahl320
I’m just over here waiting on the money I’ll see from frontier using this cheaper product and saving money that they will give back to the pilots, right?
So, I was at recurrent a few weeks back. The reason for the switch is because Jepp went up on their prices by like double (or something like that). Essentially, Jepp offers a whole package of tools/modules (like scheduling, etc) that we weren't going to use. In the past, we could just buy the maps application but they're no longer offering it standalone. So, we made the switch. Not sure if you believe it or not but the company didn't really want to switch - just the price climbed to high.

I believe them. I don't, for a second, believe the company cares whether WE care or not but switching does cost money.

Now that we have Lido, we all know the deficiencies. It's not as capable - most if not all the info we need to brief/fly is there, just in different places and not always as easily accessible. I'm told that we DO have some input into future changes so maybe it'll improve. But for those who complain about it being too difficult, that's silly. You're not a very good pilot if that's the case. It's basically the same info organized differently. Learn your job - fully. If Airbus moved the gear handle to the other side of the cockpit, we'd complain but adjust.

Pilots love to b!tch...
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Old 09-06-2023 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by spooldup
Yeah, CAs flew with jepp until it was removed from their ipad, refuse to even touch lido, then get upset when I have to teach them how to use it and they hate it. It is not a hard switch to make... Yeah, the app sucks, but submit your feedback and get over it.

CA I flew with picked up a premium trip and B**hed about lido the whole time. I wish I could get paid 8k to sit there and be unwilling to learn how to use a new app and complain about it the entire time. Making over 300k a year and you don't want to spend a couple hours learning an app. insanity.
We all know that no one at frontier makes that much money on a 4 day. I love your delusions!
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Old 09-06-2023 | 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by ClearCreek
We all know that no one at frontier makes that much money on a 4 day. I love your delusions!
12 yr CA rate is $270. Premium 4 day (at 20 hr basic credit) is worth 30 hrs. 270*30 = ?

But i haven't seen a 4 day premium trip in a long time though.
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Old 09-06-2023 | 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dracir1
12 yr CA rate is $270. Premium 4 day (at 20 hr basic credit) is worth 30 hrs. 270*30 = ?

But i haven't seen a 4 day premium trip in a long time though.
It was a 15hr repo turn he got. not even half a day of time.
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Old 09-06-2023 | 02:04 PM
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Originally Posted by dracir1
So, I was at recurrent a few weeks back. The reason for the switch is because Jepp went up on their prices by like double (or something like that). Essentially, Jepp offers a whole package of tools/modules (like scheduling, etc) that we weren't going to use. In the past, we could just buy the maps application but they're no longer offering it standalone. So, we made the switch. Not sure if you believe it or not but the company didn't really want to switch - just the price climbed to high.

I believe them. I don't, for a second, believe the company cares whether WE care or not but switching does cost money.

Now that we have Lido, we all know the deficiencies. It's not as capable - most if not all the info we need to brief/fly is there, just in different places and not always as easily accessible. I'm told that we DO have some input into future changes so maybe it'll improve. But for those who complain about it being too difficult, that's silly. You're not a very good pilot if that's the case. It's basically the same info organized differently. Learn your job - fully. If Airbus moved the gear handle to the other side of the cockpit, we'd complain but adjust.

Pilots love to b!tch...
Really? 99% of US airlines can afford Jepps. You fly a 100+ million dollar airplane. Your LCA's weren't given the respect to weigh in on the decision to move towards an inferior product. They were only asked to implement it. It is surprising so many LCA's decided to help mgmt.
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Old 09-06-2023 | 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by fivebyfive
Really? 99% of US airlines can afford Jepps. You fly a 100+ million dollar airplane. Your LCA's weren't given the respect to weigh in on the decision to move towards an inferior product. They were only asked to implement it. It is surprising so many LCA's decided to help mgmt.

THIS! ^^^^^^^^^^
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