Class Dates
#123
New Hire
Joined APC: Feb 2020
Posts: 7
If its anything to go off of, I interviewed and was placed in the pool in September 2023, just got my class date email last week for a 4/15 class.
#125
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2023
Posts: 110
To my surprise, another class of 60 coming in May. Company seems serious about its growth plans.
Rough math on deliveries this year, and the next few years, is something like 40-60 per class, especially in 2025 and 2026. Lots of growth to come if things go right..
Rough math on deliveries this year, and the next few years, is something like 40-60 per class, especially in 2025 and 2026. Lots of growth to come if things go right..
#126
Barry and Brad are laughing all the way to the bank. This is exactly what they needed, a slow down. NK is in a death spiral, B6 is consolidating, DL is on the back side of their hiring spree, while SW and UA are being hamstrung by Boeing. It's honestly a perfect storm. We're not in a recession, so people are wanting to fly. I believe I saw another record setting month for TSA numbers. F9s competition isn't hiring, and the legacies are paused, or are caught up. Buckle up for a long and bumpy road folks.
#127
Almost there
Joined APC: Apr 2021
Posts: 1,093
Barry and Brad are laughing all the way to the bank. This is exactly what they needed, a slow down. NK is in a death spiral, B6 is consolidating, DL is on the back side of their hiring spree, while SW and UA are being hamstrung by Boeing. It's honestly a perfect storm. We're not in a recession, so people are wanting to fly. I believe I saw another record setting month for TSA numbers. F9s competition isn't hiring, and the legacies are paused, or are caught up. Buckle up for a long and bumpy road folks.
#128
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jun 2021
Position: Joystick Operator
Posts: 784
I hope our union is able to get a GOOOOOOOD retro check.
#129
Line Holder
Joined APC: Dec 2017
Posts: 35
There's were a lot of factors that we're still in plays for well qualified applicants to choose to wait or applied to els where . The negative factors were first yr paid $39 . No accommodations provided for initial. Having said all that, still, many of the applicants that were invited to the interviews were captions at regionals or military, heavy cargo, and folks from that's have been flying in Asian and Middle East. I.E " Emirates.! With all that we'll qualify group of applicants which were in my group's. Only 6 of us were hired out of 14 that show up that day.
I believed towards the end of 2018 , F9 did eventually experiences a lack of applicants and No show for the interviews.
In my options , that's when the leavage swang towards finalizing the Contact.
Fast forward
In this this environments , there's will not be a contract any times soon.. Soon =meaning 3 or 4 yrs from now.
F9 now will not have a shortages of applicants like before, BL told us in the school house, F9 currently , have a 1000 cadets in hiring pool and back up till foe ever! . Even with the high attritions or UA didn't have the Boeing issues and all the big 3+ hiring like crazy .! F9 will continue to fill classes. where's the pilots / union Levage ? None!
F9 will retain these new cadets, CFI, rotor pilots for a minimum of 2 yrs . before they are eligible to move on to the legacy carriers ! None of the new hires with or without experiences have any intentions of staying with F9 ! That's is okay with F9 managements !
That 2 yrs line will never Ends as they will have endless streams of CFI, cadets pilots in the pool!
In any bussiness, profits and bottoms lines are All only that's matter and to CEO , investors , owners etc!
So I have established there's will Not be issues with new airplanes and pilots for f9 to staff it ! and thus No needs to come to negotiate ! Bussiness as usual!
Said what you want about F9, managements, they always seem to be a head of the game when come to finding new methods to staff the airlines.
Here's a very long "shot" And will never happens. one more of why "it's will never happens". People / pilots are selfish! I accepted that and expected it! )
In my humble opinions, F9 will turns out as many new hires as possible, Sim Slots availabllity or Sim Instructors will not be a big issues.. f9 can hires outside instructors and sims slots all over country!
The only Leverage that the union /pilots may have . If F9 does not have Check airman's to do IOE for new hires ! Especially, the F9 new hires, They needs the experiences right away ! Even now , new hires are having to waiting a 2 wks or longer to get calls for IOE, just in that , checks airmen's I flown with , all saying the new hires get rusty and some needs to go back for more sims... imagine if that's waits for IOE take a month or 2 or longer before starting IOE ! The numbers of new hires that will needs to go back to the sims and back waiting again and endless cycles of waiting and retrains for currency etc.. .... that's a lot a moneys that hits the training Budget,! That's bottom line that get F9 higher ups to asks questions ! That's shortage of check airman's will be issued ! Remember, the union always tell the pilots " to stay together "
More bad news, F9 have have stack of pilots they want to be check airman's ! )
#130
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Dec 2021
Posts: 515
If one's were hired before the last contract, we remember the Unions told people not to apply T f9 and goes as far as suggested/help f9 pilots with employments els where.
There's were a lot of factors that we're still in plays for well qualified applicants to choose to wait or applied to els where . The negative factors were first yr paid $39 . No accommodations provided for initial. Having said all that, still, many of the applicants that were invited to the interviews were captions at regionals or military, heavy cargo, and folks from that's have been flying in Asian and Middle East. I.E " Emirates.! With all that we'll qualify group of applicants which were in my group's. Only 6 of us were hired out of 14 that show up that day.
I believed towards the end of 2018 , F9 did eventually experiences a lack of applicants and No show for the interviews.
In my options , that's when the leavage swang towards finalizing the Contact.
Fast forward
In this this environments , there's will not be a contract any times soon.. Soon =meaning 3 or 4 yrs from now.
F9 now will not have a shortages of applicants like before, BL told us in the school house, F9 currently , have a 1000 cadets in hiring pool and back up till foe ever! . Even with the high attritions or UA didn't have the Boeing issues and all the big 3+ hiring like crazy .! F9 will continue to fill classes. where's the pilots / union Levage ? None!
F9 will retain these new cadets, CFI, rotor pilots for a minimum of 2 yrs . before they are eligible to move on to the legacy carriers ! None of the new hires with or without experiences have any intentions of staying with F9 ! That's is okay with F9 managements !
That 2 yrs line will never Ends as they will have endless streams of CFI, cadets pilots in the pool!
In any bussiness, profits and bottoms lines are All only that's matter and to CEO , investors , owners etc!
So I have established there's will Not be issues with new airplanes and pilots for f9 to staff it ! and thus No needs to come to negotiate ! Bussiness as usual!
Said what you want about F9, managements, they always seem to be a head of the game when come to finding new methods to staff the airlines.
Here's a very long "shot" And will never happens. one more of why "it's will never happens". People / pilots are selfish! I accepted that and expected it! )
In my humble opinions, F9 will turns out as many new hires as possible, Sim Slots availabllity or Sim Instructors will not be a big issues.. f9 can hires outside instructors and sims slots all over country!
The only Leverage that the union /pilots may have . If F9 does not have Check airman's to do IOE for new hires ! Especially, the F9 new hires, They needs the experiences right away ! Even now , new hires are having to waiting a 2 wks or longer to get calls for IOE, just in that , checks airmen's I flown with , all saying the new hires get rusty and some needs to go back for more sims... imagine if that's waits for IOE take a month or 2 or longer before starting IOE ! The numbers of new hires that will needs to go back to the sims and back waiting again and endless cycles of waiting and retrains for currency etc.. .... that's a lot a moneys that hits the training Budget,! That's bottom line that get F9 higher ups to asks questions ! That's shortage of check airman's will be issued ! Remember, the union always tell the pilots " to stay together "
More bad news, F9 have have stack of pilots they want to be check airman's ! )
There's were a lot of factors that we're still in plays for well qualified applicants to choose to wait or applied to els where . The negative factors were first yr paid $39 . No accommodations provided for initial. Having said all that, still, many of the applicants that were invited to the interviews were captions at regionals or military, heavy cargo, and folks from that's have been flying in Asian and Middle East. I.E " Emirates.! With all that we'll qualify group of applicants which were in my group's. Only 6 of us were hired out of 14 that show up that day.
I believed towards the end of 2018 , F9 did eventually experiences a lack of applicants and No show for the interviews.
In my options , that's when the leavage swang towards finalizing the Contact.
Fast forward
In this this environments , there's will not be a contract any times soon.. Soon =meaning 3 or 4 yrs from now.
F9 now will not have a shortages of applicants like before, BL told us in the school house, F9 currently , have a 1000 cadets in hiring pool and back up till foe ever! . Even with the high attritions or UA didn't have the Boeing issues and all the big 3+ hiring like crazy .! F9 will continue to fill classes. where's the pilots / union Levage ? None!
F9 will retain these new cadets, CFI, rotor pilots for a minimum of 2 yrs . before they are eligible to move on to the legacy carriers ! None of the new hires with or without experiences have any intentions of staying with F9 ! That's is okay with F9 managements !
That 2 yrs line will never Ends as they will have endless streams of CFI, cadets pilots in the pool!
In any bussiness, profits and bottoms lines are All only that's matter and to CEO , investors , owners etc!
So I have established there's will Not be issues with new airplanes and pilots for f9 to staff it ! and thus No needs to come to negotiate ! Bussiness as usual!
Said what you want about F9, managements, they always seem to be a head of the game when come to finding new methods to staff the airlines.
Here's a very long "shot" And will never happens. one more of why "it's will never happens". People / pilots are selfish! I accepted that and expected it! )
In my humble opinions, F9 will turns out as many new hires as possible, Sim Slots availabllity or Sim Instructors will not be a big issues.. f9 can hires outside instructors and sims slots all over country!
The only Leverage that the union /pilots may have . If F9 does not have Check airman's to do IOE for new hires ! Especially, the F9 new hires, They needs the experiences right away ! Even now , new hires are having to waiting a 2 wks or longer to get calls for IOE, just in that , checks airmen's I flown with , all saying the new hires get rusty and some needs to go back for more sims... imagine if that's waits for IOE take a month or 2 or longer before starting IOE ! The numbers of new hires that will needs to go back to the sims and back waiting again and endless cycles of waiting and retrains for currency etc.. .... that's a lot a moneys that hits the training Budget,! That's bottom line that get F9 higher ups to asks questions ! That's shortage of check airman's will be issued ! Remember, the union always tell the pilots " to stay together "
More bad news, F9 have have stack of pilots they want to be check airman's ! )
When we can't get pilots that don't work for this airline to do the heavy lifting, our hopes fall to a few dozen LCAs.
Stop looking outward for help.
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