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Old 11-20-2023 | 08:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed Force One
This makes the inevitable Spirit - Frontier merger (yeah, I said it) that much easier to swallow for me at least. Like a delicious "bite of an apple."

Edited to point out the obvious sarcasm.
BB already said we're not gonna pursue Spirit if/when their merger fails.

I believe him... for now.
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Old 11-20-2023 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by The Irishman
Any thoughts on what upgrade time at CLE would be after the displacement? Seems like average is around 3 years from what i read on FFpilots. Im at 1450 hours (650 jet 135/91k), ATP Scheduled in January....Frontier wasnt on my target list until they opened CLE..which is about as close to living in domicile that im gonna get. Im just wondering if with being a newer base upgrade time would be quicker? New to this..trying to figure it out all out.

UA is option to, with about a year upgrade on 737 but something tells me once all the continental carryovers retire they'll make that go away as a base. Not sure they'd look at me this early anyhow.

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I imagine CLE will always be fairly junior.
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Old 11-20-2023 | 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeFever1
I imagine CLE will always be fairly junior.
Haven't looked as I have zero interest but what does the Chicago - Cleveland commute look like?

Keep in mind, a displacement comes w/ paid for travel costs...
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Old 11-20-2023 | 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by The Irishman
Any thoughts on what upgrade time at CLE would be after the displacement? Seems like average is around 3 years from what i read on FFpilots. Im at 1450 hours (650 jet 135/91k), ATP Scheduled in January....Frontier wasnt on my target list until they opened CLE..which is about as close to living in domicile that im gonna get. Im just wondering if with being a newer base upgrade time would be quicker? New to this..trying to figure it out all out.

UA is option to, with about a year upgrade on 737 but something tells me once all the continental carryovers retire they'll make that go away as a base. Not sure they'd look at me this early anyhow.

Thoughts?
Upgrades will likely be sub 2 years moving forward. By the time you get a few hundred on the bus at F9, United should call you back for an interview.
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Old 11-20-2023 | 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted by PFranz
Upgrades will likely be sub 2 years moving forward. By the time you get a few hundred on the bus at F9, United should call you back for an interview.
The REAL question is - will the Big 3 still be hiring in 3 years (when most of the newly hired come off their training contract/loan/interest bearing gift/whatever you wanna call it?
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Old 11-21-2023 | 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by PFranz
Upgrades will likely be sub 2 years moving forward. By the time you get a few hundred on the bus at F9, United should call you back for an interview.
what makes you believe upgrades will be sub two years when they have been longer than that and very small class sizes? The company can't grow and there ar very few retirements. Won't they just displace captains as needed?
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Old 11-21-2023 | 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Dragonslayer69
what makes you believe upgrades will be sub two years when they have been longer than that and very small class sizes? The company can't grow and there ar very few retirements. Won't they just displace captains as needed?
In the most recent system bid, the most junior upgrade went to 435#’s. Not taking the time to look, I assume that is around a 2 year upgrade. With the amount of displacements and realignments about to happen, unless a base was just announced in your city, senior fo’s that were bypassing upgrade, will likely continue to. Just my two cents but I assume it will go more junior.
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Old 11-21-2023 | 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Dragonslayer69
what makes you believe upgrades will be sub two years when they have been longer than that and very small class sizes? The company can't grow and there ar very few retirements. Won't they just displace captains as needed?
Originally Posted by PFranz
In the most recent system bid, the most junior upgrade went to 435#’s. Not taking the time to look, I assume that is around a 2 year upgrade. With the amount of displacements and realignments about to happen, unless a base was just announced in your city, senior fo’s that were bypassing upgrade, will likely continue to. Just my two cents but I assume it will go more junior.
As of now PF is correct. The current Whatif shows a Dec ‘21 hire getting the junior upgrade spot in CLE. 4 months more junior than last months bid.
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Old 11-22-2023 | 06:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget
As of now PF is correct. The current Whatif shows a Dec ‘21 hire getting the junior upgrade spot in CLE. 4 months more junior than last months bid.
whatever dip occurs in upgrade time will be short lived. The airline is not growing and that's what's needed to really bring it down. It will go back to a trickle again once the new bases are sized the way they want.
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Old 11-22-2023 | 07:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Dragonslayer69
whatever dip occurs in upgrade time will be short lived. The airline is not growing and that's what's needed to really bring it down. It will go back to a trickle again once the new bases are sized the way they want.
Welllllllll in Nov of ‘22 we had a high number of 1935 vs 2112 this month. 8.5% growth.

In Nov ‘22 we had 115 aircraft vs 134 today. 14% growth.
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