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04-24-2025 | 06:01 AM

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AutoBrksMedium

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Originally Posted by FreightBum

Is everyone just speculating that classes and orders are cancelled? Or am I missing something?

Not speculation

04-24-2025 | 06:23 AM

#12

madmax757

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Originally Posted by DumboDrop

How can anyone plan anything with the costs constantly changing?

I agree. I already have my captains house I bought when an FO. But I definitely wouldn’t be buying a new place right now if I was in buying mode. I have an expensive car I lease. When lease is up in a few months I’m getting something cheap. Hold off on that new furniture for now etc….. and I’m relatively senior here

04-24-2025 | 06:24 AM

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Nacho Libre

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Originally Posted by Aero1900

You mean the administration changing their mind on teriff policy every single day and sometimes multiple times a day while constantly contradicting each other is chaos? Seems like an easy environment for businesses to plan around.

It's been glaringly obvious to some of us while others are staring at the eclipse. Business leaders want stability so that they can make and execute long-term plans. When they can not predict short-term plans they go into protection mode and that is not growth.

04-24-2025 | 06:44 AM

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ginntonic

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Originally Posted by DontStahl320

It would be great to hear his logic.

"We don’t have widebodies. We don’t have any of that international. We don’t have any corporate.
And we don’t have any-any government. We don’t even bid for the contracts. So, we’re kinda insulated from that. And in fact, we’re not gonna be part of that bloodbath….
At the end of the day, a reversal of fortune is underway." --BB Apr ‘25

LOAs, no upgrades, no NH classes, stock -80% over the last 5 years, 1Q results revised downward.

Yep, fortune reversed I'd say.

04-24-2025 | 07:33 AM

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CGLimits

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Originally Posted by ginntonic

I think we all have known that the man is not a genius, and I am still blown away by those comments. What in the world was he thinking? And if you have to count on a “reversal of fortune” as part of your business model you are a lot more worthless than I thought. It’s shocking to me that the board has not fired this moron yet.

04-24-2025 | 07:47 AM

#16

GenericPilot

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From: A-320 CA

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Originally Posted by FreightBum

Is everyone just speculating that classes and orders are cancelled? Or am I missing something?

I guess maybe the LCP’s got an email or something? I (just a line pilot) haven’t gotten one but an LCP posted some quote of an email he had seen from the training department on the FB page stating no more hiring/upgrades for 2025 planned.

04-24-2025 | 08:09 AM

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Stayontarget

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Originally Posted by BobSacamano

I wonder what tariffs portend for our SLB scheme. Since SLB keeps this whole thing together (especially the new order gravy train), I wonder if cancelling hiring means the deliveries are no longer coming because SLB is no longer viable in this trade environment.

God who knows? Most of our Airbus are made in America so do we get reprieve? How’s about those motors? Are they mostly made in America?

I can see holding off classes for the summer if there is a slow down. The majority (11/17) of our planes weren't supposed to arrive until Q4. Perhaps we are all looking into the memo a little too literally and over reacting? Perhaps we will all just be flying Thursday, Friday, Sunday, and Monday.

I always chuckle to myself when he says stop doing things that lose money in reference to not flying more on off peak days. What are we going to do if we can’t make money on peak days? Just stop flying? Sounds promising.

04-24-2025 | 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Stayontarget

God who knows? Most of our Airbus are made in America so do we get reprieve? How’s about those motors? Are they mostly made in America?

I can see holding off classes for the summer if there is a slow down. The majority (11/17) of our planes weren't supposed to arrive until Q4. Perhaps we are all looking into the memo a little too literally and over reacting? Perhaps we will all just be flying Thursday, Friday, Sunday, and Monday.

I always chuckle to myself when he says stop doing things that lose money in reference to not flying more on off peak days. What are we going to do if we can’t make money on peak days? Just stop flying? Sounds promising.

Likely no reprieve. My understanding is that Airbus started as an intra-European consortium of component manufacturers. Wings from UK, fuselage from France, stabs from Spain. It worked because of Schengen, and it worked also for Mobile and American customers because we had sane, educated trade policy.

But I’m assuming those European subcomponents are all gonna be tariffed before the get to Mobile, which means yes, Trump screwed us. And he screwed assembly line workers in Mobile. And assembly line workers in Seattle (Boeing customers refusing deliveries because of tit for tat tariffs). And anyone with a 401k. And the list goes on.

04-24-2025 | 10:06 AM

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LifetimeCFI

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Agree with Target that this is all premature. Things change fast and if things reverse course we'll probably be understaffed quite quick. No additional classes planned currently doesn't mean much when Frontier keeps things tight and seems to plan classes with no more than 2-3 months lead time.