So what this next CBA going to look like
08-08-2025 | 11:24 AM
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I think he’s simply saying the numbers that are going to be thrown around soon are going to make it even harder on management to continue low balling after DAL openers start leaking. For example at UAL our 2027 321 12 year rate is $417.07 and our 737 Max 9/-900 are $402.01 plus we get 18% B fund on top. Let’s say openers are a modest 10% raise. Over $450/hr. If y’all don’t have a new contract in place when numbers like that come out it’s gonna be hard to sell falling even further behind.
Best of luck to y’all.
Best of luck to y’all.
exactly….Between that, losing experienced crew to big 4 this fall, the overhanging tailstrike risk, and already terrible on-time performance… It would behoove them to finish it sooner than later. Then again with this c suite team, who knows.
08-08-2025 | 12:05 PM
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this is fake news. Big-3 sucks, proven by the high numbers of legacy applicants in F9 classes.
why would I give up turns?
Delta CJO ? thanks but not "starting over"
QOL is everything and at Frontier we out-QOL everyone. Barry says so.
He even has some funny money "creative accounting" slides where Frontier pilots out-earn Big-3 pilots.
why would I give up turns?
Delta CJO ? thanks but not "starting over"
QOL is everything and at Frontier we out-QOL everyone. Barry says so.
He even has some funny money "creative accounting" slides where Frontier pilots out-earn Big-3 pilots.
08-08-2025 | 09:04 PM
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The average airline contract negotiated under the RLA is 3+ year process? So realistically Delta is at a minimum of 3 years from a new contract, more likely 4. That just isn't going to motivate management to sign a deal before we get a chance to see what Delta is cooking up.
We are just stuck in a bad spot contract cycle wise. I think our best bet long term is to hope the company caves to the unions ask of this only being a 3 year deal.
08-09-2025 | 05:55 AM
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Yeah unfortunately I don't think the company is feeling any pressure from this at all.
The average airline contract negotiated under the RLA is 3+ year process? So realistically Delta is at a minimum of 3 years from a new contract, more likely 4. That just isn't going to motivate management to sign a deal before we get a chance to see what Delta is cooking up.
We are just stuck in a bad spot contract cycle wise. I think our best bet long term is to hope the company caves to the unions ask of this only being a 3 year deal.
The average airline contract negotiated under the RLA is 3+ year process? So realistically Delta is at a minimum of 3 years from a new contract, more likely 4. That just isn't going to motivate management to sign a deal before we get a chance to see what Delta is cooking up.
We are just stuck in a bad spot contract cycle wise. I think our best bet long term is to hope the company caves to the unions ask of this only being a 3 year deal.
08-09-2025 | 07:24 AM
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We’d better hope not. Modest contract increases at the legacies in the face of more substantial contract increases at the ULCCs would literally be the very cost convergence that the likes of Kirby et al. are bragging will kill off the ULCCs (us).
08-11-2025 | 12:48 AM
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Alpa is starting to do polls this month and we are still 1yr and 5 months before our contract is “expired”. It wouldn’t suprise me if they start early negotiations in January (like previous contracts).
I will also expect some modest pay increases. If it pases beyond Dec 2026, retro pay is also on the table.
08-11-2025 | 11:15 AM
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There are many things to fix in the Delta contract. But I don’t think it will take 3-4 years like someone else said. Last round took a bit longer due to coming out of Covid. Once negotiations started with mediation, it took about 1yr for a AIP.
Alpa is starting to do polls this month and we are still 1yr and 5 months before our contract is “expired”. It wouldn’t suprise me if they start early negotiations in January (like previous contracts).
I will also expect some modest pay increases. If it pases beyond Dec 2026, retro pay is also on the table.
Alpa is starting to do polls this month and we are still 1yr and 5 months before our contract is “expired”. It wouldn’t suprise me if they start early negotiations in January (like previous contracts).
I will also expect some modest pay increases. If it pases beyond Dec 2026, retro pay is also on the table.
of course it is
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09-06-2025 | 07:42 AM
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ok so our union calls for a status meeting. Hypothetically it goes exactly the way our union want it to go. What happens then? are we released after a cooling off period? Do we get the proposed contract or can we ask for more?
Before any one says "XYZ is not happening " that is not what I am asking. I want to know what the maximum potential upside is.
Before any one says "XYZ is not happening " that is not what I am asking. I want to know what the maximum potential upside is.
09-06-2025 | 09:25 AM
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ok so our union calls for a status meeting. Hypothetically it goes exactly the way our union want it to go. What happens then? are we released after a cooling off period? Do we get the proposed contract or can we ask for more?
Before any one says "XYZ is not happening " that is not what I am asking. I want to know what the maximum potential upside is.
Before any one says "XYZ is not happening " that is not what I am asking. I want to know what the maximum potential upside is.
This is an ALPA doc that details the steps in Section 6. It doesn't call it a "status conference", but we are at the top of p.4
https://crewroom.alpa.org/alafa/Port...06%20Final.pdf
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