Neither does Southwest (outside of the massive CC deals which they do have). And they make more than everyone. SW isn't our peer? Is Jet Blue?
VERY true. You are worth what you can negotiate. Is it a battle to get higher rates? Of course. But you need the pilot force that's willing to strike (or whatever the NMB lets us do). No votes are needed to see what that is.
Yes, and yes. I'm advocating for myself, my fellow pilots at F9 and the industry in general. There's NO WAY anyone can convince me that this company can't find a way to make $ while paying us industry rates. The thought process is preposterous. It may not be BB, but SOMEONE (probably more than a few people) can. No airline can (nor should) survive with having to pay it's labor less. That strategy just isn't viable long term in ANY business. I can't even believe this needs to be mentioned...

If we don't get industry rates it's because we as a pilot force weren't strong enough to demand it. I'd rather this company go out of business than to accept less. If either of those look likely, I will take my retro check and leave. The Big 3 are hiring again - maybe for a short while and maybe longer. Sooner or later they'll have to again and again and again.

 

You may want to check financials before you make statements like that. SWA USED to make more than others. Hasn’t been that way for a while and definitely not post COVID. Currently it’s DAL/UA making lots and everyone else making small profits of the big 4.

I do agree y’all should be seeking industry average rates for A321 on par with the big 4 NB rates. I hope you get it!

 

By make more I meant the PILOT rate.

 

Ah, ok I took your statement wrong. I agree they probably make the most on average of all NB pilots.

 

All good.

But to that point, SWA has been losing money (and it wasn't just the Maxxes). They are changing their model. The are having to adapt. The one thing they're not talking about is concessions. They still pay more than everyone else.

And, I'd be surprised if they didn't start profiting more given that everyone is hiring now w/ the expectation of more demand.

 

Enough of the BS 10 hr 3 days SDT 5 hr and the NTR crap……
5hr min CALANDER day

 

Yeah, they are making out with so much money because of those.. or 16hr 4 days, My schedule would be like 100hrs instead of 72hrs of credit if we had min DAY.

 

To any first airline F9 pilots reading this. THIS IS NOT NORMAL. Having to do a 3 day worth 10 hours is disrespectful of our time and min calendar day will fix this issue.

 

Be careful. Crazy talk like that will bankrupt the airline. Just like Spirit.

So just do your 10 hour 3 day and be happy you get to fly a jet.

 

Shiny.

You get to for a shiny jet.