So what this next CBA going to look like
07-22-2025 | 12:36 AM
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The big 3s basic economy is only propped up by their margins they have been making from the premium cabin sales.
The ULCC model isn't dead, the no customer service BS that came with it is dead.
If our on time performance was 80%+ with 99% completion and GOOD customer service, we would have no issues. But it inherently isn't good because the ULCC model requires contract everything and not caring about on time.
The ULCC model isn't dead, the no customer service BS that came with it is dead.
If our on time performance was 80%+ with 99% completion and GOOD customer service, we would have no issues. But it inherently isn't good because the ULCC model requires contract everything and not caring about on time.
07-22-2025 | 06:02 AM
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The big 3s basic economy is only propped up by their margins they have been making from the premium cabin sales.
The ULCC model isn't dead, the no customer service BS that came with it is dead.
If our on time performance was 80%+ with 99% completion and GOOD customer service, we would have no issues. But it inherently isn't good because the ULCC model requires contract everything and not caring about on time.
The ULCC model isn't dead, the no customer service BS that came with it is dead.
If our on time performance was 80%+ with 99% completion and GOOD customer service, we would have no issues. But it inherently isn't good because the ULCC model requires contract everything and not caring about on time.
07-22-2025 | 06:11 AM
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The big 3s basic economy is only propped up by their margins they have been making from the premium cabin sales.
The ULCC model isn't dead, the no customer service BS that came with it is dead.
If our on time performance was 80%+ with 99% completion and GOOD customer service, we would have no issues. But it inherently isn't good because the ULCC model requires contract everything and not caring about on time.
The ULCC model isn't dead, the no customer service BS that came with it is dead.
If our on time performance was 80%+ with 99% completion and GOOD customer service, we would have no issues. But it inherently isn't good because the ULCC model requires contract everything and not caring about on time.
"list the top 3 things we don't have"
07-22-2025 | 07:26 AM
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Frontier is currently sitting on almost $900 Million dollars of cash in the bank. We are almost certainly not going out of business.
We also are highly unlikely to "figure it out." We will continue to do what we've been doing. How the market changes will be the interesting thing to see. As the economy continues to evolve, inflation seems to remain stubborn, cost of living doesn't decrease, etc. Frontier will either have to move more upmarket or the market moves back to us. I don't know what happens but either the business will evolve or the market will devolve back to us.
07-22-2025 | 09:19 AM
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i disagree.
As the economy continues to evolve, inflation seems to remain stubborn, cost of living doesn't decrease, etc. Frontier will either have to move more upmarket or the market moves back to us. I don't know what happens but either the business will evolve or the market will devolve back to us.
As the economy continues to evolve, inflation seems to remain stubborn, cost of living doesn't decrease, etc. Frontier will either have to move more upmarket or the market moves back to us. I don't know what happens but either the business will evolve or the market will devolve back to us.
07-22-2025 | 09:21 AM
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i disagree.
Frontier is currently sitting on almost $900 Million dollars of cash in the bank. We are almost certainly not going out of business.
We also are highly unlikely to "figure it out." We will continue to do what we've been doing. How the market changes will be the interesting thing to see. As the economy continues to evolve, inflation seems to remain stubborn, cost of living doesn't decrease, etc. Frontier will either have to move more upmarket or the market moves back to us. I don't know what happens but either the business will evolve or the market will devolve back to us.
Frontier is currently sitting on almost $900 Million dollars of cash in the bank. We are almost certainly not going out of business.
We also are highly unlikely to "figure it out." We will continue to do what we've been doing. How the market changes will be the interesting thing to see. As the economy continues to evolve, inflation seems to remain stubborn, cost of living doesn't decrease, etc. Frontier will either have to move more upmarket or the market moves back to us. I don't know what happens but either the business will evolve or the market will devolve back to us.
07-22-2025 | 09:40 AM
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07-22-2025 | 01:40 PM
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Yeah, you're right. I didn't really mean decrease. Inflation has been brutal the last few years.
07-22-2025 | 01:42 PM
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I don't really see a path forward for them. But at the same time I don't know what happens if they run out of operating cash. Does a big airline come and scoop them up or are they left to die?
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