2Q 2025 Earnings Call - Aug 5
08-21-2025 | 07:03 AM
#231
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From: Joystick Operator
I am HOPING I made the right decision sticking here with 32 years left. As much complaints as people have and the small issues I deal with daily. Spending 5 nights away from home as a CA each month with under 5 years at an airline is something I will not give up. (My wife also doesn't want me to give it up either, especially with a baby)
Now, Could I go somewhere else? Yeah probably... Could this place change? yeah probably... Could we merge with someone? yeah probably... Is the grass always greener at legacies? yeah probably...
After all is said and done, I do enjoy my job here, the life it affords me at the point in my life is just too good.
That being said... All this reduction on T/W and base openings really shafted my seniority, but it is what it is.
Now, Could I go somewhere else? Yeah probably... Could this place change? yeah probably... Could we merge with someone? yeah probably... Is the grass always greener at legacies? yeah probably...
After all is said and done, I do enjoy my job here, the life it affords me at the point in my life is just too good.
That being said... All this reduction on T/W and base openings really shafted my seniority, but it is what it is.
08-21-2025 | 09:27 AM
#232
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I’m reading everyone discuss legacy rates, while I’ve put myself on a two year plan to have my finances in order in case frontier ceases operations and I’m out of a job. I feel like I’m on the deck of the titanic watching the iceberg get closer while everyone around me is arguing about the dinner menu.
I sure hope you all are right and I’m wrong.
I sure hope you all are right and I’m wrong.
08-21-2025 | 09:57 AM
#233
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I’m reading everyone discuss legacy rates, while I’ve put myself on a two year plan to have my finances in order in case frontier ceases operations and I’m out of a job. I feel like I’m on the deck of the titanic watching the iceberg get closer while everyone around me is arguing about the dinner menu.
I sure hope you all are right and I’m wrong.
I sure hope you all are right and I’m wrong.
08-21-2025 | 10:31 AM
#234
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bc these turd nuggets have one foot out the door (legacy/retirement/transient ), and want you to agree to anything for a quick payout/better wages before leaving.
everyone who truly believed this place has one foot in the grave have long since left, or is in the process of leaving.
You’re welcome in advance.
everyone who truly believed this place has one foot in the grave have long since left, or is in the process of leaving.
You’re welcome in advance.
08-21-2025 | 12:11 PM
#235
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I’m reading everyone discuss legacy rates, while I’ve put myself on a two year plan to have my finances in order in case frontier ceases operations and I’m out of a job. I feel like I’m on the deck of the titanic watching the iceberg get closer while everyone around me is arguing about the dinner menu..
Do you REALLY think pilot pay is the final straw - that somehow this company will make it ONLY if it continues to underpay its labor groups? And if so, doesn't that very fact worry you?
08-21-2025 | 03:55 PM
#236
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Of course not. Why would I or anyone else (especially Wall Street analysts) think that if F9 increased their largest cost by 40-55% it might actually F9’s long term viability???
08-21-2025 | 04:04 PM
#237
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Fair points.
Perhaps you're right. When I was hired 10+ years ago, my thought process was simple - this airlines is the new SWA (who started out paying its pilots less but as it grew, compensated them appropriately to where they are the highest paid now). Of course, Franke is NOT Kelleher but why would anyone take AND STAY at a job 100% knowing they'll never get what others who do the same get?
The answer is - they wouldn't. And you can stop w/ the "un-hireable" silliness - if F9 hired someone and they have the hours and don't have a DUI since, they're attractive to every other airline. The problem, as you have pointed out, is hope. In this business where seniority requires that you pick the right horse from the start, we all hoped (not expected but HOPED) either mgt would eventually come around (ala SWA) or that we as a group could force the issue (via unity and self-help). As they say, hope is not a plan but it is something real to many people.
Maybe that's a pipe dream, maybe not. Every contract cycle is the chance to find out. Personally, I don't think the pilots here at F9 have the necessary unity but I'm on record stating that I actually WANT to strike - one because I already know the POS TA that we'll end up getting won't be enough but also out of curiosity to see if the RLA is viable. But I have issues so . . . there's that.
As for now, given the years invested, that's all I can do until our new TA becomes an AIP and the math favors leaving. Then I will collect my retro check and leave.
Perhaps you're right. When I was hired 10+ years ago, my thought process was simple - this airlines is the new SWA (who started out paying its pilots less but as it grew, compensated them appropriately to where they are the highest paid now). Of course, Franke is NOT Kelleher but why would anyone take AND STAY at a job 100% knowing they'll never get what others who do the same get?
The answer is - they wouldn't. And you can stop w/ the "un-hireable" silliness - if F9 hired someone and they have the hours and don't have a DUI since, they're attractive to every other airline. The problem, as you have pointed out, is hope. In this business where seniority requires that you pick the right horse from the start, we all hoped (not expected but HOPED) either mgt would eventually come around (ala SWA) or that we as a group could force the issue (via unity and self-help). As they say, hope is not a plan but it is something real to many people.
Maybe that's a pipe dream, maybe not. Every contract cycle is the chance to find out. Personally, I don't think the pilots here at F9 have the necessary unity but I'm on record stating that I actually WANT to strike - one because I already know the POS TA that we'll end up getting won't be enough but also out of curiosity to see if the RLA is viable. But I have issues so . . . there's that.
As for now, given the years invested, that's all I can do until our new TA becomes an AIP and the math favors leaving. Then I will collect my retro check and leave.
Maybe I’m just speaking for myself but I look at my friends and family and the garbage they put up with at work (doctors, lawyers, plumbers, accountants, landscaping, etc.). It all sounds way worse than the stuff I deal with the 10-13 days a month I work. Not to mention I’m looking at a minimum of a 42% raise in my overall compensation.
Do I wish I was paid on par with legacies - of course. Am I still going to make more money and continue to spend a ton of time at home with my family than I ever thought possible: yes.
Don’t get caught up in the moment. We have the best job in the world and will be paid more than we ever thought possible (notwithstanding the pay will be less than legacies) when the time comes.
08-21-2025 | 04:34 PM
#238
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Joined: Feb 2020
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From: 320 CP
You do realize we have the greatest job in the world and will be making WAY more than we ever dreamed possible just 8-10 years ago.
Maybe I’m just speaking for myself but I look at my friends and family and the garbage they put up with at work (doctors, lawyers, plumbers, accountants, landscaping, etc.). It all sounds way worse than the stuff I deal with the 10-13 days a month I work. Not to mention I’m looking at a minimum of a 42% raise in my overall compensation.
Do I wish I was paid on par with legacies - of course. Am I still going to make more money and continue to spend a ton of time at home with my family than I ever thought possible: yes.
Don’t get caught up in the moment. We have the best job in the world and will be paid more than we ever thought possible (notwithstanding the pay will be less than legacies) when the time comes.
Maybe I’m just speaking for myself but I look at my friends and family and the garbage they put up with at work (doctors, lawyers, plumbers, accountants, landscaping, etc.). It all sounds way worse than the stuff I deal with the 10-13 days a month I work. Not to mention I’m looking at a minimum of a 42% raise in my overall compensation.
Do I wish I was paid on par with legacies - of course. Am I still going to make more money and continue to spend a ton of time at home with my family than I ever thought possible: yes.
Don’t get caught up in the moment. We have the best job in the world and will be paid more than we ever thought possible (notwithstanding the pay will be less than legacies) when the time comes.
(I know it’s an awesome job but surgeons who love cutting don’t do it for free either)
08-21-2025 | 04:40 PM
#239
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Joined: May 2019
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You do realize we have the greatest job in the world and will be making WAY more than we ever dreamed possible just 8-10 years ago.
Maybe I’m just speaking for myself but I look at my friends and family and the garbage they put up with at work (doctors, lawyers, plumbers, accountants, landscaping, etc.). It all sounds way worse than the stuff I deal with the 10-13 days a month I work. Not to mention I’m looking at a minimum of a 42% raise in my overall compensation.
Do I wish I was paid on par with legacies - of course. Am I still going to make more money and continue to spend a ton of time at home with my family than I ever thought possible: yes.
Don’t get caught up in the moment. We have the best job in the world and will be paid more than we ever thought possible (notwithstanding the pay will be less than legacies) when the time comes.
Maybe I’m just speaking for myself but I look at my friends and family and the garbage they put up with at work (doctors, lawyers, plumbers, accountants, landscaping, etc.). It all sounds way worse than the stuff I deal with the 10-13 days a month I work. Not to mention I’m looking at a minimum of a 42% raise in my overall compensation.
Do I wish I was paid on par with legacies - of course. Am I still going to make more money and continue to spend a ton of time at home with my family than I ever thought possible: yes.
Don’t get caught up in the moment. We have the best job in the world and will be paid more than we ever thought possible (notwithstanding the pay will be less than legacies) when the time comes.
this guy doesn’t understand inflation. Or the fact that corporations have stolen the wages from the average worker. Adjusted for inflation 1990 family would make 170,000 a year. Allowing corporations steal money from us while they give themselves a pay raise every year is why this happens. We deserve a lot more than we are even getting adjusted for inflation we are way behind from the 1990s.
but sure. Go compare yourself to mostly none union jobs that haven’t kept up with inflation because they refuse to pay union dues and become politically active to back their rights to compensation and quality of life.
We deserve to make what the going rate for an airbus pilot is. Just like they pay the c suite the going rate for their work.
just like a McDonald’s worker deserves a living wage. Just like a grocer deserves a living wage. We have our life because we fight for those benefits. Your attitude is one of concessions in a time when we have the highest level of inflation since the Great Depression. All the while we have a president enforcing taxes on all of our imported necessities. We need more to just maintain the purchasing power of our 2019 contract.
08-21-2025 | 04:42 PM
#240
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From: A320 CA
And flying planes a third of the month is WAY better than being a surgeon who works 24/7.
there is no soft time, pay protection, or paid time off for surgeons 😉
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