Originally Posted by Togaabort (Post 4024178)

yet again. This is a lot about safety. Look at all the examples of people not getting proper rest. If you look at flica and “hustle” all day and then go fly a red eye after being up since 6am you are the problem. Have fun causing the next tail strike buddy though. Putting people’s life’s at risk for an extra 8 hours a trip is extremely unprofessional. May I never fly with you or anyone like these “hustlers”.

Originally Posted by LifetimeCFI (Post 4024191)

You're drawing a ton of assumptions from which the conclusions are dubious at best. This is a can of worms that I don't think the pilot group wants to open if they truly think it through, as dracir alluded.

Originally Posted by Togaabort (Post 4024178)

yet again. This is a lot about safety. Look at all the examples of people not getting proper rest. If you look at flica and “hustle” all day and then go fly a red eye after being up since 6am you are the problem. Have fun causing the next tail strike buddy though. Putting people’s life’s at risk for an extra 8 hours a trip is extremely unprofessional. May I never fly with you or anyone like these “hustlers”.

Originally Posted by RStrawberry (Post 4024164)

I am unconvinced any bots even exist.

Originally Posted by RStrawberry (Post 4024164)

This only works insofar as the pilot group is remotely capable of it.

From my experience, and the recent drama shared in class group chats, many of these guys are completely misguided on how picking up premium actually works. They’re too lazy or life constrained to really “hustle” like the “pros” and just want these flights served on a platter to them. And you want them to police the alleged bot usage? I am unconvinced any bots even exist.

I was a junior FO when I figured out how to get some premium. I could probably get 50% of the ones I put in for and I was junior. It involves a lot of staring at FLICA and seeing where the reserve coverage is weak.. Obviousy this favors the folks with more time on their hands or who commit to it entirely. All of these people complaining don’t want to do that. Go figure.

It boils down to jealousy, and you don’t want mob rule governing the pilot group.

Originally Posted by Bulldog319 (Post 4024404)

And therein lies the problem, There shouldn't have to be any hustle required other than the hustle and the desire to actually show up for the trip ready to fly.

Staring at a screen for hours at a time does not have the payout when looking at the hours required vs hours gained. reCaptcha did nothing except knockout the people using an AutoRefresh script leaving more scrap for the bot people.

A FIFO type system is the only way to do this fairly IMHO

If a person is a regular premium flyer and they say that they aren't using a bot, then they are a filthy liar and I will happily call them that to their face.

Originally Posted by LinaPeru (Post 4024478)

there’s some very simple solutions to this problem that we just don’t implement for various reasons. For example, put a 5-15 minute window on this stuff, then assign it by seniority. Restrict or deny out of base pickups. Apply a back of the line solution.

a lot of these BS problems would go away. You me and everyone else would feel less ****ed, and it probably have th added benefit of being safer.

Originally Posted by Windsor (Post 4024494)

Screwing over fellow pilots while also screwing over the company by picking up an out of base premo, then calling in sick or calling off via prudent judgment should be a punishable offense. At my old airline, that would get you fired. Its bad enough these clowns are using bots. But its adding gasoline to a fire when they screw the company hard as well. These trips are in premo for a reason. They need to be covered. It most certainly does not help us at the bargaining table to have flights cancel because pilots were cheating the system and failed to show up to work. I say a 6 month remote flica ban to start with. Ramp up the punishment from there.

Originally Posted by Planedrive (Post 4024517)

Haven’t employees been fired for stealing off the food carts?

When I was hired it was “don’t lie, cheat, or steal and you will keep your job here”

How is lying about a bot, cheating with it, and stealing hundreds of thousands of dollars from your peers not a fireable offense.

Everyone was warned about this 6 months ago by a must read.