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#151
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[QUOTE=I like BIG Bus;4029284]An 80% result for options a and b would be considered statistically unreliable as an "accurate" assessment of performance. Because the question is biased, the data it produces is also biased.
In professional polling, this is often called "manufacturing consent." The 80% figure likely represents an inflated number rather than a true reflection of sentiment for the following reasons:
1. The "Forced Choice" Inflation
By removing a "Neutral" or "Fair" option, you force the "middle" people—who might actually think the person is just "okay"—to pick a side. Because "Mostly good job" sounds less harsh than "Not a very good job," those middle-ground respondents (who can make up 30-40% of a population) often lean toward the softer positive option. This artificially bumps the 80% figure.
2. Acquiescence Bias
People have a natural tendency to be polite or agree with the phrasing of a question. Since the question asks "how" they are doing and provides "very good" as the first option, it sets a positive anchor. Many respondents will choose the positive path simply because it's the path of least resistance presented by the survey.
3. Accuracy vs. Directional Support
If you see an 80% score on this specific poll, a more accurate interpretation would be: "The majority of people do not have a strong enough grievance to select a negative option." This is very different from saying "80% of people think they are doing a good job."
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Even if that was true, it’s not reason enough to set the house on fire. If you said 80% of the people hated the NC….maybe.
In professional polling, this is often called "manufacturing consent." The 80% figure likely represents an inflated number rather than a true reflection of sentiment for the following reasons:
1. The "Forced Choice" Inflation
By removing a "Neutral" or "Fair" option, you force the "middle" people—who might actually think the person is just "okay"—to pick a side. Because "Mostly good job" sounds less harsh than "Not a very good job," those middle-ground respondents (who can make up 30-40% of a population) often lean toward the softer positive option. This artificially bumps the 80% figure.
2. Acquiescence Bias
People have a natural tendency to be polite or agree with the phrasing of a question. Since the question asks "how" they are doing and provides "very good" as the first option, it sets a positive anchor. Many respondents will choose the positive path simply because it's the path of least resistance presented by the survey.
3. Accuracy vs. Directional Support
- Is it accurate? No. You cannot know if that 80% actually likes the work or if they just don't dislike it enough to choose the "negative" options.
- Does it show support? It shows directional support, meaning the person is likely not hated. However, you cannot use that 80% as a scientific "grade."
If you see an 80% score on this specific poll, a more accurate interpretation would be: "The majority of people do not have a strong enough grievance to select a negative option." This is very different from saying "80% of people think they are doing a good job."
If you'd like, I can help you:
Even if that was true, it’s not reason enough to set the house on fire. If you said 80% of the people hated the NC….maybe.
#152
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[QUOTE=I : [b]"The majority of people do not have a strong enough grievance to select a negative option."[/b] This is very different from saying "80% of people think they are doing a good job."
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so if the majority of people do not feel strongly enough to select a negative option (and that’s way more than just a majority)..why on gods green earth would 165 and 169 blow it up?
If you'd like, I can help you:
so if the majority of people do not feel strongly enough to select a negative option (and that’s way more than just a majority)..why on gods green earth would 165 and 169 blow it up?
#153
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An 80% result for options a and b would be considered statistically unreliable as an "accurate" assessment of performance. Because the question is biased, the data it produces is also biased.
In professional polling, this is often called "manufacturing consent." The 80% figure likely represents an inflated number rather than a true reflection of sentiment for the following reasons:
1. The "Forced Choice" Inflation
By removing a "Neutral" or "Fair" option, you force the "middle" people—who might actually think the person is just "okay"—to pick a side. Because "Mostly good job" sounds less harsh than "Not a very good job," those middle-ground respondents (who can make up 30-40% of a population) often lean toward the softer positive option. This artificially bumps the 80% figure.
2. Acquiescence Bias
People have a natural tendency to be polite or agree with the phrasing of a question. Since the question asks "how" they are doing and provides "very good" as the first option, it sets a positive anchor. Many respondents will choose the positive path simply because it's the path of least resistance presented by the survey.
3. Accuracy vs. Directional Support
If you see an 80% score on this specific poll, a more accurate interpretation would be: "The majority of people do not have a strong enough grievance to select a negative option." This is very different from saying "80% of people think they are doing a good job."
If you'd like, I can help you:
In professional polling, this is often called "manufacturing consent." The 80% figure likely represents an inflated number rather than a true reflection of sentiment for the following reasons:
1. The "Forced Choice" Inflation
By removing a "Neutral" or "Fair" option, you force the "middle" people—who might actually think the person is just "okay"—to pick a side. Because "Mostly good job" sounds less harsh than "Not a very good job," those middle-ground respondents (who can make up 30-40% of a population) often lean toward the softer positive option. This artificially bumps the 80% figure.
2. Acquiescence Bias
People have a natural tendency to be polite or agree with the phrasing of a question. Since the question asks "how" they are doing and provides "very good" as the first option, it sets a positive anchor. Many respondents will choose the positive path simply because it's the path of least resistance presented by the survey.
3. Accuracy vs. Directional Support
- Is it accurate? No. You cannot know if that 80% actually likes the work or if they just don't dislike it enough to choose the "negative" options.
- Does it show support? It shows directional support, meaning the person is likely not hated. However, you cannot use that 80% as a scientific "grade."
If you see an 80% score on this specific poll, a more accurate interpretation would be: "The majority of people do not have a strong enough grievance to select a negative option." This is very different from saying "80% of people think they are doing a good job."
If you'd like, I can help you:
#154
Calling people ignorant because of a differing opinion is in itself ignorant. And sharpshooting quips were met with sharpshooting quips, never instigated. As I said before we just have to choose to disagree. But a real ignorant vocal minority is 5 of the same people arguing on APC. Good day friends, I hope we can move forward through this. But I am looking ahead not backwards.
#155
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Calling people ignorant because of a differing opinion is in itself ignorant. And sharpshooting quips were met with sharpshooting quips, never instigated. As I said before we just have to choose to disagree. But a real ignorant vocal minority is 5 of the same people arguing on APC. Good day friends, I hope we can move forward through this. But I am looking ahead not backwards.
#156
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The polling question, "How do you think this person is doing?" with the answers:
a. a very good job
b. a mostly good job
c. not a very good job
d. a poor job
...is considered a moderately loaded or biased question. While it can be used to gauge support, it is designed to guide respondents toward a positive view, acting more as a measure of reputation than an objective performance audit.
Here is a breakdown of the implied bias and why it might not be the best tool for an unbiased assessment:
Implied and Other Biases
Effectiveness for Finding Support
If the goal is to generate positive data to show support, this question is effectivebecause it minimizes negative choices.
However, if the goal is to get an accurate, actionable, and unbiased assessment of performance, it is a poor question
a. a very good job
b. a mostly good job
c. not a very good job
d. a poor job
...is considered a moderately loaded or biased question. While it can be used to gauge support, it is designed to guide respondents toward a positive view, acting more as a measure of reputation than an objective performance audit.
Here is a breakdown of the implied bias and why it might not be the best tool for an unbiased assessment:
Implied and Other Biases
- Leading/Assumptive Framing: The question implies that the person is doing a job. The options "very good" and "mostly good" assume a positive baseline, making "good" the dominant tone.
- Lack of Neutrality: There is no explicit neutral option (e.g., "Adequate" or "Fair"), forcing respondents to choose between two shades of positive or two shades of negative.
- Unbalanced Scale: The structure is skewed toward positive reporting (two positive options vs. two negative options).
- Negativity Bias Management: By framing the options as "not a very good job" rather than "bad job," the question subtly softens the negative options.
Effectiveness for Finding Support
If the goal is to generate positive data to show support, this question is effectivebecause it minimizes negative choices.
However, if the goal is to get an accurate, actionable, and unbiased assessment of performance, it is a poor question
when you arbitrarily assign weight to poll answers, you're very much in the realm of pulling things out your ass.
#157
this was just to show that the question was not an accurate gauge. Plus, you don’t know why MP thought the NC was ineffective. Did you know that the prior mediator told our union that JL was hurting us more than helping. Go talk to people, get off this website, it’s toxic. I got better things to do
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this was just to show that the question was not an accurate gauge. Plus, you don’t know why MP thought the NC was ineffective. Did you know that the prior mediator told our union that JL was hurting us more than helping. Go talk to people, get off this website, it’s toxic. I got better things to do
#159
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