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Originally Posted by Learjet driver
(Post 1462639)
I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings that are currently working at Frontier and I wish them all the luck..... But why would anyone want to make the move to the bottom of the seniority list of a company that is only hiring 50 pilots and is in the process of being sold or spun off? Unless its a short stopover while one tries to find a better job?
WINNER! You are asking the right question! |
Originally Posted by Bolo
(Post 1462703)
WINNER! You are asking the right question!
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Originally Posted by Learjet driver
(Post 1462639)
I don't want to hurt anyone's feelings that are currently working at Frontier and I wish them all the luck..... But why would anyone want to make the move to the bottom of the seniority list of a company that is only hiring 50 pilots and is in the process of being sold or spun off? Unless its a short stopover while one tries to find a better job?
I would go! There are no Pension plans anymore to consider or worry about and most the airlines will be hiring soon so If you have a solid financial plan and a means to save for the unexpected, the move to Frontier can be beneficial. Franke is buying Frontier to make money. Either by growing it (my guess) or by parting it out (doubt that). If he is growing it, then guess what, the pilots and employees will "reap" the rewards of career advancement. Hopefully, Franke will not come to ask for concessions and hopefully Frontier employees will not give anymore. The Frontier employees have given more than enough. SO it is really up to the employee leadership to show the value and worth of the current employee structure and discount that Franke is getting. The reward is HUGE with this type buyout (if it goes the way I am thinking). Spirit will have a viable competitor in a couple years. If he is parting it, then you can apply to another airline and more than likely get hired. I am assuming the airlines will be hiring very soon and by mass amounts :) IMHO, Frontier would be a good risk. But I have been wrong before. TEN |
Originally Posted by terryhflyer
(Post 1462838)
Should I have left Bolo? lol
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[QUOTE=TenYearsGone;1462860]In all honesty: The higher the risk, the better the reward.
I would go! There are no Pension plans anymore to consider or worry about and most the airlines will be hiring soon so If you have a solid financial plan and a means to save for the unexpected, the move to Frontier can be beneficial. Franke is buying Frontier to make money. Either by growing it (my guess) or by parting it out (doubt that). If he is growing it, then guess what, the pilots and employees will "reap" the rewards of career advancement. Hopefully, Franke will not come to ask for concessions and hopefully Frontier employees will not give anymore. The Frontier employees have given more than enough. SO it is really up to the employee leadership to show the value and worth of the current employee structure and discount that Franke is getting. The reward is HUGE with this type buyout (if it goes the way I am thinking). Spirit will have a viable competitor in a couple years. If he is parting it, then you can apply to another airline and more than likely get hired. I am assuming the airlines will be hiring very soon and by mass amounts :) IMHO, Frontier would be a good risk. But I have been wrong before. TEN[/QUOTE I see your point and hope it works out for you but if you wind up looking for another job you could end up at the bottom of the list at DAL, UAL or AMR at the end of a big hiring wave. The difference of one year during a big hiring boom could easily be 1000 numbers. |
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Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
(Post 1462860)
In all honesty: The higher the risk, the better the reward.
I would go! There are no Pension plans anymore to consider or worry about and most the airlines will be hiring soon so If you have a solid financial plan and a means to save for the unexpected, the move to Frontier can be beneficial. Franke is buying Frontier to make money. Either by growing it (my guess) or by parting it out (doubt that). If he is growing it, then guess what, the pilots and employees will "reap" the rewards of career advancement. Hopefully, Franke will not come to ask for concessions and hopefully Frontier employees will not give anymore. The Frontier employees have given more than enough. SO it is really up to the employee leadership to show the value and worth of the current employee structure and discount that Franke is getting. The reward is HUGE with this type buyout (if it goes the way I am thinking). Spirit will have a viable competitor in a couple years. If he is parting it, then you can apply to another airline and more than likely get hired. I am assuming the airlines will be hiring very soon and by mass amounts :) IMHO, Frontier would be a good risk. But I have been wrong before. TEN[/QUOTE I see your point and hope it works out for you but if you wind up looking for another job you could end up at the bottom of the list at DAL, UAL or AMR at the end of a big hiring wave. The difference of one year during a big hiring boom could easily be 1000 numbers. My premise is for the person who is at a regional, wants to get into flying, is financially set or likes the rewards for taking a risk.. Frontier is a no-brainer for the ones' mentioned above. TEN |
Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
(Post 1462860)
In all honesty: The higher the risk, the better the reward.
I would go! There are no Pension plans anymore to consider or worry about and most the airlines will be hiring soon so If you have a solid financial plan and a means to save for the unexpected, the move to Frontier can be beneficial. Franke is buying Frontier to make money. Either by growing it (my guess) or by parting it out (doubt that). If he is growing it, then guess what, the pilots and employees will "reap" the rewards of career advancement. Hopefully, Franke will not come to ask for concessions and hopefully Frontier employees will not give anymore. The Frontier employees have given more than enough. SO it is really up to the employee leadership to show the value and worth of the current employee structure and discount that Franke is getting. The reward is HUGE with this type buyout (if it goes the way I am thinking). Spirit will have a viable competitor in a couple years. If he is parting it, then you can apply to another airline and more than likely get hired. I am assuming the airlines will be hiring very soon and by mass amounts :) IMHO, Frontier would be a good risk. But I have been wrong before. TEN Bedford is the same way. He is the anti-christ for pilots dressed in sheeps clothing. All the pilots at RP warned you guys and the Midwest guys about Bedford spitting out his putrid lies. You guys thought he was the savior of your airline. Im sorry for what he did to F9. Frontier was a great company back in the day and I only wish the best for everyone there. But take heed of this warning. Franke is not going to save the airline if he can just take all the assests and ship them off to all the other airlines that Indigo has all over the world. This is of course my opinion and I hope im wrong. |
Originally Posted by TenYearsGone
(Post 1462860)
Franke is buying Frontier to make money. Either by growing it (my guess) or by parting it out (doubt that).
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Originally Posted by RockyMntAV8R
(Post 1462361)
Giving up the equity stake in the company would make sense because it is the one thing the that would not require the IBT's approval or a vote. I disagree with Great Santani that we, the pilots would just say no to any concessionary request. The fact is we have a record of agreeing to concessions 100% of the time, we have never said NO! Just my 2 cents worth.
As far as the equity stake, FAPA Invest would be stupid to give that up - it would mean big lawsuit from the Frontier pilots, even if we got a big payout in the process. |
As far as the equity stake, FAPA Invest would be stupid to give that up - it would mean big lawsuit from the Frontier pilots, even if we got a big payout in the process.[/QUOTE]
Fault, I never said it would be smart to give up the equity position. We paid for the right to have this position. When the day comes that the company wants it back you can be sure we will surrender it with a big smile and thank our lucky stars that they didn't lock the doors behind us. If past voting history has any indication on future concessionary request, we have....lets see.....a 100% chance of losing the equity position. I do hope you are right, time will tell. Rocky |
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