Frontier Hiring.
12-24-2014, 08:01 PM
#1621
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Originally Posted by crflyer
I feel like most would come to F9 because they DON'T have the TPIC. Why would someone go to F9 if they have a decent QOL and are a regional captain? They'll get called by someone else soon enough. I don't see the advantage of starting all over again unless they're fine with staying at F9. FO's that have no upgrade in sight are the ones looking to go. 1000 TPIC isn't some magic number.
Crflyer,
I read your comments here and feel like you have a lot of opinions about who would and should be attracted to apply to Frontier. Unfortunately my friend, your assumptions are not so correct and also your reasoning for that matter. The real story is that there are many regional captains interviewing as well as many other well qualified pilots of various and impressive backgrounds. The idea of equating the schedules, pay, or QOL at Frontier to any regional out there is a little unrealistic. Setting all that aside, the plain fact is that there are many of "these people" you say that should not be interested in Frontier that actually are. Not my opinion, just fact!
You also ask " why would someone go to F9 if they have a descent quality of life and are a regional captain?"
The answer is that QOL can be subjective. I also know several RJ captains at many regionals with 10 plus years invested that are still wondering why they haven't gotten the call for the interview at F9 yet.
We may have been owned by a regional airline at one point but there is little to no part of our operation that is regionally oriented.
12-24-2014, 08:43 PM
#1622
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Joined APC: Jan 2011
Position: Airbus
Posts: 505
Originally Posted by WantTheJob
Crflyer,
I read your comments here and feel like you have a lot of opinions about who would and should be attracted to apply to Frontier. Unfortunately my friend, your assumptions are not so correct and also your reasoning for that matter. The real story is that there are many regional captains interviewing as well as many other well qualified pilots of various and impressive backgrounds. The idea of equating the schedules, pay, or QOL at Frontier to any regional out there is a little unrealistic. Setting all that aside, the plain fact is that there are many of "these people" you say that should not be interested in Frontier that actually are. Not my opinion, just fact!
You also ask " why would someone go to F9 if they have a descent quality of life and are a regional captain?"
The answer is that QOL can be subjective. I also know several RJ captains at many regionals with 10 plus years invested that are still wondering why they haven't gotten the call for the interview at F9 yet.
We may have been owned by a regional airline at one point but there is little to no part of our operation that is regionally oriented.
I read your comments here and feel like you have a lot of opinions about who would and should be attracted to apply to Frontier. Unfortunately my friend, your assumptions are not so correct and also your reasoning for that matter. The real story is that there are many regional captains interviewing as well as many other well qualified pilots of various and impressive backgrounds. The idea of equating the schedules, pay, or QOL at Frontier to any regional out there is a little unrealistic. Setting all that aside, the plain fact is that there are many of "these people" you say that should not be interested in Frontier that actually are. Not my opinion, just fact!
You also ask " why would someone go to F9 if they have a descent quality of life and are a regional captain?"
The answer is that QOL can be subjective. I also know several RJ captains at many regionals with 10 plus years invested that are still wondering why they haven't gotten the call for the interview at F9 yet.
We may have been owned by a regional airline at one point but there is little to no part of our operation that is regionally oriented.
I do know there are very experienced people who want to work at F9, and that there are many of those people getting hired, and on the flip side - many who can't get the call for some reason. My post was mostly regarding those who don't really want to stay. Why would they leave an RJ captain position to start all over if their goal isn't to be there for the long term? I didn't mean, "why would any RJ captain" want to go.
12-26-2014, 08:01 AM
#1623
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Originally Posted by crflyer
I get what you are saying, and I guess I could have been more clear with what I was trying to say. I don't mean that no RJ captain or military guy, etc should want to go to F9. What I was trying to say is that I don't see why someone who has the TPIC and quals (as well as the goal) to get on at a legacy would use F9 as a short-term stepping stone.
I do know there are very experienced people who want to work at F9, and that there are many of those people getting hired, and on the flip side - many who can't get the call for some reason. My post was mostly regarding those who don't really want to stay. Why would they leave an RJ captain position to start all over if their goal isn't to be there for the long term? I didn't mean, "why would any RJ captain" want to go.
I do know there are very experienced people who want to work at F9, and that there are many of those people getting hired, and on the flip side - many who can't get the call for some reason. My post was mostly regarding those who don't really want to stay. Why would they leave an RJ captain position to start all over if their goal isn't to be there for the long term? I didn't mean, "why would any RJ captain" want to go.
Your asking why a guy in that position after sometimes 10 years worth of abuse and neglect to not jump to a growing company with new aircraft on order just because they don't know if they are planning to make it a career or not?
12-26-2014, 09:05 AM
#1624
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 1,059
F9 is hands down better than a regional. They control their own flying and play by their own rules. Sure, management will be griped about just as with any company. If you want to see that in full effect go look at the AA/US sub forum about their contract negotiations.
F9 is a good place to be, great people, on what appears to be a good path and anybody would be lucky to get hired there.
The next contract will dictate a lot of things, and some people will go on to legacies for the lacking parts in the contract (if they are able to get called and pass the interview). But even with lacking areas, F9 is a great place to work and is a good choice for a career airline.
F9 is a good place to be, great people, on what appears to be a good path and anybody would be lucky to get hired there.
The next contract will dictate a lot of things, and some people will go on to legacies for the lacking parts in the contract (if they are able to get called and pass the interview). But even with lacking areas, F9 is a great place to work and is a good choice for a career airline.
12-26-2014, 09:20 AM
#1625
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Joined APC: Jan 2009
Posts: 1,459
Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer
F9 is hands down better than a regional. They control their own flying and play by their own rules. Sure, management will be griped about just as with any company. If you want to see that in full effect go look at the AA/US sub forum about their contract negotiations.
F9 is a good place to be, great people, on what appears to be a good path and anybody would be lucky to get hired there.
The next contract will dictate a lot of things, and some people will go on to legacies for the lacking parts in the contract (if they are able to get called and pass the interview). But even with lacking areas, F9 is a great place to work and is a good choice for a career airline.
F9 is a good place to be, great people, on what appears to be a good path and anybody would be lucky to get hired there.
The next contract will dictate a lot of things, and some people will go on to legacies for the lacking parts in the contract (if they are able to get called and pass the interview). But even with lacking areas, F9 is a great place to work and is a good choice for a career airline.
12-26-2014, 12:03 PM
#1626
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: A320 CAPT
Posts: 21
Originally Posted by carolinaflyer
There is no typical Sched. Once you have a line, bid what you can then wait for daily open time to refine your Sched the way you like. I commute to ord from the east coast and I almost always fly three trips/month. This month worked out two (5) day trips for entire month, 74.4 hrs with rig. Sched flexibility makes this one of the best places for QOL in the business. I think most would agree w me. Merry Christmas all!!!
12-26-2014, 12:13 PM
#1627
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Posts: 93
Originally Posted by crflyer
I get what you are saying, and I guess I could have been more clear with what I was trying to say. I don't mean that no RJ captain or military guy, etc should want to go to F9. What I was trying to say is that I don't see why someone who has the TPIC and quals (as well as the goal) to get on at a legacy would use F9 as a short-term stepping stone.
I do know there are very experienced people who want to work at F9, and that there are many of those people getting hired, and on the flip side - many who can't get the call for some reason. My post was mostly regarding those who don't really want to stay. Why would they leave an RJ captain position to start all over if their goal isn't to be there for the long term? I didn't mean, "why would any RJ captain" want to go.
I do know there are very experienced people who want to work at F9, and that there are many of those people getting hired, and on the flip side - many who can't get the call for some reason. My post was mostly regarding those who don't really want to stay. Why would they leave an RJ captain position to start all over if their goal isn't to be there for the long term? I didn't mean, "why would any RJ captain" want to go.
I guess I am still confused. How about you tell me under what circumstance a regional pilot in any seat with or without TPIC would not want to come to F9, barring any extreme circumstance out of the norm like a personal family situation or a CJO form a legacy?
12-26-2014, 12:31 PM
#1628
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Posts: 1,459
Originally Posted by WantTheJob
I guess I am still confused. How about you tell me under what circumstance a regional pilot in any seat with or without TPIC would not want to come to F9, barring any extreme circumstance out of the norm like a personal family situation or a CJO form a legacy?
1.) Cant risk 1st year pay.
2.) Lives in base - perhaps enjoys seeing his kids and wife a lot.
3.) Thinks he can make one move instead of two.
I'm sure there are thousands more. Just as there are thousands of reasons someone WOULD come to F9.
Human beings and the reasons they do things are as varied as the lines on their faces.
12-26-2014, 02:25 PM
#1629
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Posts: 389
Originally Posted by WantTheJob
I guess I am still confused. How about you tell me under what circumstance a regional pilot in any seat with or without TPIC would not want to come to F9, barring any extreme circumstance out of the norm like a personal family situation or a CJO form a legacy?
12-26-2014, 06:41 PM
#1630
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Position: Airbus
Posts: 505
Originally Posted by sulkair
Here's 3.
1.) Cant risk 1st year pay.
2.) Lives in base - perhaps enjoys seeing his kids and wife a lot.
3.) Thinks he can make one move instead of two.
I'm sure there are thousands more. Just as there are thousands of reasons someone WOULD come to F9.
Human beings and the reasons they do things are as varied as the lines on their faces.
1.) Cant risk 1st year pay.
2.) Lives in base - perhaps enjoys seeing his kids and wife a lot.
3.) Thinks he can make one move instead of two.
I'm sure there are thousands more. Just as there are thousands of reasons someone WOULD come to F9.
Human beings and the reasons they do things are as varied as the lines on their faces.
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