As long as you meet the minimums you are competitive.

 

I guess I have a different view.

There is a bona fide way/manner in which to make changes. It is simply a matter of time. Which way will be quicker - the squeaky wheel (whine/disobey/waste $) approach or the "do the same as you always have been" approach. Who knows?

The one thing I do know is that I don't lower my standards or level of behavoir because Indigo lowers theres'. I fly the same whether I'm in a Cessna making $30 / hr or in an Airbus making 5 times that. That is how I show my pride. It's not like everyone in the industry doesn't already know we're the lowest paid...I'm not gonna stop all the other pilots I see walking by and say "Yeah, but I don't single engine taxi though."

I've realized that we make the least through no fault of our own and its really because of circumstances beyond our control. Indigo bought us - plain and simple. Now we work with them to get more or hope they sell. I doubt running the APU longer just because will affect either positively (if you have an OPERATIONAL or SAFETY reason to do so, then of course.) As mentioned, we're in the process. Let it work.

Furthermore, I can't believe anyone is really complaining about what others are doing inside their cockpit...

 

Well said dracir1.
It's called integrity. Doing the next right thing even in the face of adversity. Nothing you do from the flight deck will have any effect on Indigo or the negotiation process. So why bother? Fly the line, do your job to the best of your ability and let the process run its course. We all pay our 1.9% to let the union handle the contract. That's their job. Do your job and forget the stuff you can't control. You'll live a happier life.

 

Do your job. Don't do any favors. Everything else is outside of your control, because the legal system designed it that way.

Ask that disgruntled JetBlue pilot that ran the APU on transcons how that worked out for him. Oh wait, make that ex-JetBlue pilot.

 

That's called being a professional.

Contact negotiations can be trying times.
Everyone must remain professional, fly the contract and follow company procedures.
Exactly what our union is asking us to do.
Anything else and your risking our position at the negotiating table.

 

The quote above is spot on! People are ****ed and I get it. But doing anything out of the ordinary is NOT going to get us any closer to a contract. Do not follow the "Grow a pair antics." Do your job and nothing more. Our day will be coming on a new contract.

 

This is all I'm saying (although I came off a little strong after re-reading my posts. Okay, A LOT strong). I certainly don't want to start a internet ****ing match. Nor do I think that running the APU transcon or anything like that is even remotely wise. I just feel like doing things to help them out at this point is asinine. I would think that's pretty far from a work action that could be seen as detrimental to our cause. As was mentioned above, I truly feel our MEC/ALPA is doing a great job as well and have absolutely no intention of doing anything that would hurt them/us.

 

So I read that out of training Denver gets lines pretty quickly but mco and ord take about a year of reserve until a line is obtainable? And then upgrades happen in those two bases in 2.5ish years? Anyone shed some light on that? It sounds a little odd from an outsider looking in. Also, I think I saw there are long call reserve lines as well as the 2 hr short call?


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Denver is a bigger base than ORD and MCO combined. Most of the FO's senior enough to be awarded capt are coming out of denver but have to bid to the other bases to hold capt. So there's more movement on the FO side in den. MCO and ORD fo's are pretty stagnant because neither base is growing much, if at all right now. And even if they have the same percentage of guys upgrading as den (they don't), that's still a lot fewer individuals actually moving.

This will probably begin to even out as they get further into upgrades and the number of guys bypassing dwindles. But as long as Denver is so much bigger, it will always have faster movement.

And upgrade is a lot closer to 3 years than 2 (which hasn't actually happened) or 2.5 for most guys and gals.

 

Why would anyone call in sick when you can win not one but TWO POSITIVE SPACE ROUND TRIP TICKETS ON AMERICA'S PREMIER ULTRA LOW COST CARRIER?!?! And you give me a 1/1000 shot of winning $2000, a trip to Cancun or a brand new, shiny iPad, you can bet your a$$ I'm coming to work with a 110 degree fever and anal leakage