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Old 03-19-2017 | 05:50 AM
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Originally Posted by ClearCreek
You remind me of that old video game called "Lemmings". Multiple majors, yeah right.
It's pathetic isn't it? I think a few pilots here are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Fortunately it's a small amount.
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Old 03-19-2017 | 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
I didn't know the mechanics finally got a contract. Things sure do seem to be lining up for an IPO. The dispatchers and mechanics get contracts, Warren Buffet is hot for airline stocks, oil is still cheap and Indigo just bought out the flight attendant equity stake.

I believe a fair amount of our flight attendants will take the buyout and retire. I read that they could get up to $36,000 for the senior mama's. If frontier could loose half the senior, top of pay scale FAs, that would certainly look good to the investors.

Not sure how a looming IPO effects us
Do the pilots get any equity in an IPO?
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Old 03-19-2017 | 06:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Bolo
I feel your sentiments!
What do you suggest we do as opposed to follow the process?
Go to work, fly the contract, go home. Absolutely nothing more, and as much less as possible. See below........

Originally Posted by Harvey Specter
I will be working on the 19th, otherwise I would love to be there. I hope we have a great turnout and you guys enjoy wearing your hats. I also hope that those of you who are there will discuss with your fellow pilots why they continue to taxi single engine, not run the APU, not write airplanes up for any little thing they find, call ops for paperwork, call ops for jetbridge drivers, carry things that could be written up at an outstation to Denver, use their cell phones to call DISP and MX, volunteer to conduct new-hire interviews, submit photos to "Winning", pose for photos that will be submitted to "Winning", cut ribbons on inaugural flights, not fill out hotel reports, not call in fatiugued at even the vaguest of opportunities, not use a cab when the hotel shuttle is late, not grieve suspected contract violations, and, most importantly, why they CONTINUE TO PICK UP OPEN TIME.

Have I missed anything???

We should be taking lessons from the Spirit pilots -- those guys are plssed and they are militant. We, on the other hand, just want be be put "Into the Pattern".......what a GD joke.
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Old 03-19-2017 | 06:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Do the pilots get any equity in an IPO?
Yes, those pilots who were on property prior to June 2011 with certain caveats.
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Old 03-19-2017 | 06:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Missed Appch
It's pathetic isn't it? I think a few pilots here are suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. Fortunately it's a small amount.
What's pathetic man?
Not everybody at Frontier came out of a commuter before they got here. There's quite a few guys here furloughed from carriers previously that were/are actually larger than Frontier.
Multiple furloughs from separate carriers for me. You guys want to make fun of my misfortunes that's fine, that's my reality.

I understand where Harvey and several others are coming from during our negotiations. The process wears people's patients thin.
Been through it a few times before so I'm going to follow the instructions from our union and do my best to remain patient.

We're on the same team working toward a similar goal, a new CBA.
That involves a specific process our union has asked us to follow.
At least to my knowledge that doesn't include any job actions yet.
When it's time for that they'll let us know. There's squares that need to be filled first.
In the meantime self directed job actions jeopardize our position with the mediator. That's a fact.
It's going to take work but our new CBA is on the horizon.
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Old 03-19-2017 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Harvey Specter
Yes, those pilots who were on property prior to June 2011 with certain caveats.
Thanks for that. Where does June 2011 fall on the seniority list?
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Old 03-19-2017 | 06:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Flyby1206
Thanks for that. Where does June 2011 fall on the seniority list?
Probably about 50%. Roughly half the pilots have an equity stake. Amazing how many pilots Frontier has hired since Oct 2013
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Old 03-19-2017 | 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
Probably about 50%. Roughly half the pilots have an equity stake. Amazing how many pilots Frontier has hired since Oct 2013
if i am looking at it correctly 567 out of 1121.
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Old 03-19-2017 | 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Trowserchilli
In the meantime self directed job actions jeopardize our position with the mediator. That's a fact.
Absolutely nothing I pointed out is a self directed job action. What I described was putting safety first, flying the contract, and not doing anything whatsoever to help the company.
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Old 03-19-2017 | 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Harvey Specter
Absolutely nothing I pointed out is a self directed job action. What I described was putting safety first, flying the contract, and not doing anything whatsoever to help the company.
Calling for pilots to stop picking up open time fits the bill. It sucks for us in a large way, but other pilot groups (Delta, I think it was, back in the late 90s or early 2000s) have done that very thing and it bit them & their union in the ass. The best thing we can do is maintain the status quo to show we are acting in good faith. This includes pilots continuing to pick up open time.

This group has been repeatedly kicked in the teeth over the last decade which makes it even more frustrating that we are fighting with one hand tied behind our backs. The system isn't set up in our favor and it sucks but all we'll do is shoot ourselves in the foot. Fly the contract and talk to your union reps if you run into issues to it can be brought up and addressed as we go forward.

....and before I get accused, no, I have never picked up open time. I have a <1yr old at home and I commute, my time at home is far too valuable to me. And yes, I will be there on the 19th. I hope to see as many of our pilots there as is feasible.

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