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Old 03-20-2017, 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ClearCreek View Post
We totally have the company by the balls!

Do you really think that they aren't five steps ahead of us? The RLA puts us at a distinct disadvantage and management is playing these negotiations like a fiddle. This is not the first labor dispute that Indigo has dealt with. We will be voting yes on another industry bottom garbage contract.
You are a very brain damaged individual. I don't care if you are just stupid, or a troll...you are most certainly damaged goods. "Blank" off.

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Old 03-20-2017, 08:55 PM
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news to some of you guys. But there are a lot us (more all the time) that feel very similar to ClearCreek.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Missed Appch View Post
I hate to be the bearer of bad news to some of you guys. But there are a lot us (more all the time) that feel very similar to ClearCreek.
Explain the ideology, please. I'm not getting it. He already advocated illegal work action, as well as some sort of "new-age" path to a contract that he didn't care to elaborate on. So, basically, he's advocating accomplishing nothing, while damaging our bargaining position with the NMB...sounds like a winner to me.
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Old 03-20-2017, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by 1900luxuryliner View Post
Explain the ideology, please. I'm not getting it. He already advocated illegal work action, as well as some sort of "new-age" path to a contract that he didn't care to elaborate on. So, basically, he's advocating accomplishing nothing, while damaging our bargaining position with the NMB...sounds like a winner to me.
+1. LuxuryLiner has this one right!
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Old 03-21-2017, 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Harvey Specter View Post
No offense, brother, but I'd love to see a little more than anecdotal internet evidence of this.
The power given the company under the RLA clearly gives them the upper hand and the ability to stall for a long long LONG time. Our management has shown over and over that a bunch of Harvard MBAs well versed in running a ULCC airline are barely able to follow our CBA (some would say they willfully violate it when it suits them), but the RLA forces labor through the grievance process, (even expedited arbitration is painfully slow - although we finally won one the other day!).

They unilaterally reinterpret our CBA and we grieve it. We step a mm out of line, the company gets a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) in civil court - not an arbitrator - to stop us from behaving badly, and can take out their anger on the union's bank account. Ask any of the APA pilots who took matters into their own hands, violating a TRO in the process, during the American Airlines sick-out of February 1999.

The anecdote I've heard from someone who was close to the case was that, after the pilots defied Judge Parker's TRO, Judge Parker asked an APA rep what their assets were, and assessed an award essentially equal to that amount. "At the conclusion of the hearing, the district court announced its decision from the bench to award $45,507,280.00 in compensatory damages attributable to the defendants' conduct."

AMERICAN AIRLINES INC v. Allied Pilots Association, Richard T. Lavoy, and Brian A. Mayhew, Defendants?Appellants. | FindLaw

It's stressful being on this side of the RLA, but it must be followed. We talk about "unity"; we need to walk the walk behind our union leaders. Be ready to strike, but now is the time to do our jobs and wait for eventual release for self help.
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Old 03-21-2017, 11:34 AM
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Looks like a new FA Base will be happening in CVG

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...-cvg-base.html
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Old 03-21-2017, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by SpankysLadder View Post
Looks like a new FA Base will be happening in CVG

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...-cvg-base.html
Interesting............
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Old 03-21-2017, 12:00 PM
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Interesting............
Yes it is. Cincy is a great airport. So is the area... Greaters, Montgomery Rib Inn, LaRosa's, Skyline, and GoldStar. Love to see us expand big time there!

What would be fantastic is if they'd let me do the FA recruiting. I'd recruit on the UK Campus in Lexington just like a former Cincy airline once did...man, those were the days. Good times...and now back to reality
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Old 03-21-2017, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by SpankysLadder View Post
Looks like a new FA Base will be happening in CVG

http://www.bizjournals.com/cincinnat...-cvg-base.html
Any word on a new pilot base (anyone been to recurrent lately)?

Vegas? Phoenix?
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Old 03-21-2017, 12:25 PM
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CORRECTION: Based on information released at a CVG board meeting, a previous version of this story incorrectly indicated Frontier was looking at establishing a base at CVG.
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