Really curious as to why Frontier is not hiring year round for all the a/c that are supposed to be delivered? Has the delivery schedule changed. Spirit continues to hire like mad but Frontier is not. Thoughts?

 

We got fat. We over hired. Management probably thought at some point guys would stop picking up open time and JAs. Maybe sick calls would go up, but no. Everything is running smoothly. We've only picked up a few additional airplanes, as older 319s are being returned. I'm sure hiring will be back this fall. Nothing seems out of place, or suspicious

 

What's the delivery schedule for the next couple of years?

 

Frontier has 65 airplanes and 1100 something pilots... that's 17+ pilots per airplane... spirit has 101 airplanes and 1500 something pilots... that's 15 pilots per airplane... they appear to be under and we appear to be over a bit... plus our company would fly the airplanes single engine if it saved a nickel and it was legal

 

We ordered 80 320neos. We refused delivery of one due to a hydraulic issue at the factory, so a total of 79 should be coming. Scheduled deliveries until 2021. We have already taken 10 or 11 neos. All 19 of our 321s are already on property.

The fleet is supposed to grow to 120 airplanes in 2021, up from 65ish today.

 

It's been a while, but I seem to remember the CP in ground school saying that refusing the one NEO for the hydraulic issue would not affect our total count. It was sold to someone else and F9 will be getting a different aircraft to fulfill that order.

 

We still have two more 321s to go. We just got midnight the wolf (719) but a few of the tail numbers were skipped.

 

Thanks for the hiring updates!!!

 

One of the many things out of place is what the group has been the past two winter/spring's ('16 and /17). "We are hiring indefinitely and upgrading every month through the end of the year." Wait....."All hands on deck for the busy season". Wait..."We are overstaffed and take a cola". Two year upgrade is still being spread around the fairs (from what I hear). So, sorry if I disagree with you, but there's a lot out of place. And I won't touch the negotiations. No more koolaid for you!

 

Yep, this goes beyond just "fat and over-hired". These management types are liars and we will never get the real story. Next upgrade class is December at the earliest. They feed us so much bull-******* here... I would not reccommend F9 to anyone right now. I highly doubt we will ever reach their projected growth. Projections from 2 years ago were supposed to be at nearly 80 airplanes...

We are actually losing another 2 in August and will be at 64! This management team is raping this airline for short-term profits because they have no intention to grow it. They will gladly give away an A320 3 years before its lease expiration if they can pocket a few $$.

Projections they fed us just earlier this year had block hours nearly 10,000 hours higher than they are for August. Instead August is a block hour decrease.

They cannot even communicate what is happening. It's just a surprise every month when the bid packs come out. Never mind some of us are trying to plan our lives and are counting on the promised growth.