NO misspoke about it. Complete and total ignorance by you.

Your post was along the lines of an FNG mainline pilot lecturing a regional about all the RJ's running round like it's their fault.

Problem is, said mainline pilot has ZERO clue how it all happened in the FIRST PLACE. I'm talking the pre 9/11 FIRST PLACE.

Like I asked, how long have you been at JB? Or more importantly, this career in general? Most guys are painfully aware of the points I've made.

Here's to hoping the F9 guys get good contract. The concessions and RAH debacle has been hard on them.

 

As soon as he tried to compare his earnings to those at Frontier, any chance for back peddling went right out the window. Good call out and points addressed on your part.

 

Let's correct the thread drift. Is there junior manning at Frontier, if so is it common??

As for hiring, how would these guys respond to someone with current 'bus time? I'm pulling the eject handle on the sandpit.

 

Good idea. There is a voluntary junior assign at frontier. If you are willing to work on your days off, you can list yourself on the vja. You can even say what type of trip you will accept. For example, you can say you will only work if it's a one day assignment worth more than 5 hours. You set the specifics.

It's fairly rare to get called out of the blue on your days off. You never have to accept. Don't answer the phone when they call, listen to the message, see what they are offering and call back if you want it. I haven't been called in a year.

Some guys will bid reserve, hardly fly, and put themselves on the vja list on their days off and make a lot of money.

As far as having Airbus time, honestly I don't think they care. They want guys with good, positive attitudes and want to make frontier a career

 

There is also true Junior Assignment in addition to the VJA that Aero described.

It's in reverse seniority order, and not on Vacation days. It pays at least 1.5 block credit. I say at least because they can add incentive to get trips covered. 15 hrs at JA (22.5 credit) to fly DEN-LAX-DEN is rare, but isn't unheard of.

If you aren't on Reserve you don't need to answer your phone. Even on a working Reserve day you can let it go to voice mail, and as long as you call back within 10 minutes you're good (so you really have 2:10 to report on Short Call Reserve ). They need "Positive Telephone Contact" to JA you. No ACARS. No radio. If the CP is standing in the jetway telling you to call CS it would be insubordinate not to, but you may be too tired to accept and they can't dock you a sick day for something you're not scheduled to fly. If the gate agent tells you to call, just say thank you and go home.

I don't answer my phone. Period. If I want what they're offering I'll call back as Aero said.

So the short answer: Yes, we do have JA. You just have to be smarter than the phone if you don't want to work days off.

 

Thanks for the tips, i appreciate it!

 

New hires still have to pay for lodging and food right? Just out of curiosity, what's the average amount of debt guys are coming out of training with. I would gladly come to Frontier if offered but having to pay for lodging and food while in training does worry me and not 100% sure I could make it work financially. Thanks!

 

I believe that new hires are still responsible for housing during training. This is a throwback to when all the pilots were Denver based and they basically just assumed you wanted to be Denver based. Now that we have other bases, frontier probably needs to reevaluate this policy, but since it's going to cost the company money, I expect them to not pay for housing during training as long as possible.

 

F9 - what about when you call in after a reserve assignment on your last day, and they give you another overnight into your day off? Does this never happen here? I've not seen anything close to it on a year of RSV at F9 but my last abusive spouse often did this to me (with an 'evil laugh') so I'm perpetually and sheepishly nervous about it

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Yes, new hires pay for hotel and food. Staybridge was $75 per night when I went through in Dec, but it's gone up. My total cost was just north of $1,500. If you plan on going home every weekend, you can check out and the hotel may store your bags for you (Staybridge did). They also had free food and beer Tues - Thurs. I've been in a crashpad for the last couple of months that was was $280. We had at least 4 new hires in the pad with us. If you have a car, it works out perfectly. Something else to consider if you come over, try to get sims out of DEN. The company pays for single occupancy room (kitchenette), per diem, and a rental car for each crew.