QOL as a new hire reserve pilot at Frontier
#42
F9 - what about when you call in after a reserve assignment on your last day, and they give you another overnight into your day off? Does this never happen here? I've not seen anything close to it on a year of RSV at F9 but my last abusive spouse often did this to me (with an 'evil laugh') so I'm perpetually and sheepishly nervous about it 
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The contract only talks about "Extending" a Reserve, and when you call in you must be either released, assigned or extended. I thought there was an agreement that they couldn't JA you unless the call was specifically for that reason - either you calling back to accept or them calling to JA. Now it says, "The new assignment must be given within one hour and must be scheduled to depart within 4 hours of Block In. "
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"A Short Call shall not be Extended on his last day of a block of Reserve Days."
#43
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Understandable jitters Sulk!
The contract only talks about "Extending" a Reserve, and when you call in you must be either released, assigned or extended. I thought there was an agreement that they couldn't JA you unless the call was specifically for that reason - either you calling back to accept or them calling to JA. Now it says, "The new assignment must be given within one hour and must be scheduled to depart within 4 hours of Block In. "
and
"A Short Call shall not be Extended on his last day of a block of Reserve Days."
The contract only talks about "Extending" a Reserve, and when you call in you must be either released, assigned or extended. I thought there was an agreement that they couldn't JA you unless the call was specifically for that reason - either you calling back to accept or them calling to JA. Now it says, "The new assignment must be given within one hour and must be scheduled to depart within 4 hours of Block In. "
and
"A Short Call shall not be Extended on his last day of a block of Reserve Days."
I've budgeted half my time on Deadheads to reading the CBA, the other half to watching Stargate SG-1 while continuously sqirming to keep the legs from falling asleep. Anyway, point is, hopefully soon I can start figuring out some of this stuff on my own.
#44
And for years all of the Legacy carriers paid in the $25/hr range for their first year - while you were on PROBATION. Second year you got a 100%+ raise, but they actually used the probationary period to evaluate whether they wanted to have you work there. Some even had you get a form filled out from every Capt. you flew with in that first year.
Supply and demand has changed things, but try not to forget how this industry got to where it is. $40 at year one in an RJ is part of the problem for those of us who want to fly decent schedules for good pay into retirement. I know they're old, but go on Amazon and pick up "Flying The Line 1&2". It's all perspective (and ball bearings these days)!
Supply and demand has changed things, but try not to forget how this industry got to where it is. $40 at year one in an RJ is part of the problem for those of us who want to fly decent schedules for good pay into retirement. I know they're old, but go on Amazon and pick up "Flying The Line 1&2". It's all perspective (and ball bearings these days)!
And $25/hr to fly a DC-9, Fokker,B-732, even FE on a B727 is pretty pathetic even in 1980 Dollars. So what if it's your first year, that should mean you don't deserve a wage to support your family? Yea it was nice in 1980 when a Pan Am B747 captain took home $180K (in 1980 Dollars), yet a United captain is still taking home that same amount today. Progress is beginning to be made on the bottom of the regionals, meanwhile Delta puts a TA to its pilots (after billions in profits) that looks to be overall status quo. Sure the pay rates go up a bit, but at the expense of QOL and other pay opportunities.
#45
How is starting at $40 to fly a CR2 a problem when Frontier, Spirit, Virgin, ect. are paying less than that to start flying an Airbus? Seems to me the problem is with the starting Airbus pay today more than Endeavor's starting pay (granted that does take into account the $20k/year retention pay, but that's not just a newhire bonus. All active pilots get that so it's effectively a pay rate)
And $25/hr to fly a DC-9, Fokker,B-732, even FE on a B727 is pretty pathetic even in 1980 Dollars. So what if it's your first year, that should mean you don't deserve a wage to support your family? Yea it was nice in 1980 when a Pan Am B747 captain took home $180K (in 1980 Dollars), yet a United captain is still taking home that same amount today. Progress is beginning to be made on the bottom of the regionals, meanwhile Delta puts a TA to its pilots (after billions in profits) that looks to be overall status quo. Sure the pay rates go up a bit, but at the expense of QOL and other pay opportunities.
And $25/hr to fly a DC-9, Fokker,B-732, even FE on a B727 is pretty pathetic even in 1980 Dollars. So what if it's your first year, that should mean you don't deserve a wage to support your family? Yea it was nice in 1980 when a Pan Am B747 captain took home $180K (in 1980 Dollars), yet a United captain is still taking home that same amount today. Progress is beginning to be made on the bottom of the regionals, meanwhile Delta puts a TA to its pilots (after billions in profits) that looks to be overall status quo. Sure the pay rates go up a bit, but at the expense of QOL and other pay opportunities.
I'm all for a living wage, and never meant to represent any differently. To point out on an anonymous internet message board that an RJ new hire makes more than a Frontier Airbus new hire, and the Frontier pilot is somehow inferior, disregards (and disrespects) the struggles we continue to face at Frontier, and the many years of prospective provided by the history of airline pilot's pay.
And here I thought this thread was back on to the QOL of new hire reserve pilots at F9
#46
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How is starting at $40 to fly a CR2 a problem when Frontier, Spirit, Virgin, ect. are paying less than that to start flying an Airbus? Seems to me the problem is with the starting Airbus pay today more than Endeavor's starting pay (granted that does take into account the $20k/year retention pay, but that's not just a newhire bonus. All active pilots get that so it's effectively a pay rate)
#47
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He's probably including the $20k per year retention bonus everyone on property is getting. I took a slight raise to come here from Endeavor, and I was on 8 year pay there (until concessionary capped it at 4 years).
#49
We had a bunch of pilots who's Longevity was frozen as part of a concession. As of the 6/20 paycheck their Longevity will no longer be frozen, and they may advance to their proper step on the pay table commensurate with the definition of "Longevity" in our contract.
No new pay tables until the company shows another year's profit or we negotiate something better beginning in 244 days when we give our section 6 opener on March 2, 2016.
#50
Same pay rates. As your question mentions, it's a Longevity Snap Back.
We had a bunch of pilots who's Longevity was frozen as part of a concession. As of the 6/20 paycheck their Longevity will no longer be frozen, and they may advance to their proper step on the pay table commensurate with the definition of "Longevity" in our contract.
No new pay tables until the company shows another year's profit or we negotiate something better beginning in 244 days when we give our section 6 opener on March 2, 2016.
We had a bunch of pilots who's Longevity was frozen as part of a concession. As of the 6/20 paycheck their Longevity will no longer be frozen, and they may advance to their proper step on the pay table commensurate with the definition of "Longevity" in our contract.
No new pay tables until the company shows another year's profit or we negotiate something better beginning in 244 days when we give our section 6 opener on March 2, 2016.
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