Frontier to vote on ALPA
#11
That's great to hear. I realize the vast majority of the work is done by the local guys and not the national ALPA guys, but im happy to hear things are moving in the right direction at JetBlue.
Looks like JetBlue, Virgin, Spirit and possibly Frontier will all be represented by ALPA. Seems like there might be some strength in that. Let's raise the bar!!
Looks like JetBlue, Virgin, Spirit and possibly Frontier will all be represented by ALPA. Seems like there might be some strength in that. Let's raise the bar!!
#12
From the JB perspective, it has been very good. The ALPA vote was April 2014 and we are currently in negotiations for our CBA with 12 out of 31 sections TA'ed. The hard sections (scope, pay, etc) are coming up in 2016. The negotiation schedule is very aggressive (5 meeting dates per month in 2016).
I was impressed at how quickly we were able to vote in MEC/LEC members, fill committee positions, and get to work on the CBA. The reps have all been excellent whenever I've had an issue. We voted 71% in favor of ALPA (I think VX was even higher) and that sent a strong signal. There is a definite feeling that we are heading in the right direction.
I was impressed at how quickly we were able to vote in MEC/LEC members, fill committee positions, and get to work on the CBA. The reps have all been excellent whenever I've had an issue. We voted 71% in favor of ALPA (I think VX was even higher) and that sent a strong signal. There is a definite feeling that we are heading in the right direction.
Would someone who KNOWS please chime in about what the norm is for a negotiations process agreement? ALPA's ideal would be great to know.
Thanks
#13
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[QUOTE=Aero1900;2023071]That's great to hear. I realize the vast majority of the work is done by the local guys and not the national ALPA guys, but im happy to hear things are moving in the right direction at JetBlue.]/quote]
"ALPA is ONLY as good as your local........."
A popular saying, and you'll find it's true.
Although ALPA does provide some good services (as do others) OUTSIDE of contracts. Aeromedical (I've used it, AWESOME), Loss of license, etc etc etc.....
It could be argued, depending on perspective. But there's been more "collectivization" or what have you among the carrier's MECs. And it's not just ALPA. But they are ALL meeting to share/exchange information, strategies, experiences, etc dealing with their respective companies to find out what "works" in the negotiating arena and what needs help.
I'm no ALPA cheerleader, but it does seem that the national level is starting to figure a few things out and getting back to making this career "better". Or simply, less crappy coming out of the dark decade.
Best of luck.
"ALPA is ONLY as good as your local........."
A popular saying, and you'll find it's true.
Although ALPA does provide some good services (as do others) OUTSIDE of contracts. Aeromedical (I've used it, AWESOME), Loss of license, etc etc etc.....
I'm no ALPA cheerleader, but it does seem that the national level is starting to figure a few things out and getting back to making this career "better". Or simply, less crappy coming out of the dark decade.
Best of luck.
#14
As most have said before.... It really doesn't matter who you have. You ain't getting your money until you are released, or management is threatened that the next step is release or you make it all the way to a strike..
At Sun Country it literally was the last hour of the last multi day meeting that ownership was told that we were being released and they opened up the check book.
It took 5 years of bu!!$hit, failed mediation, and a useless NMB to get us where we are now. You will only get what you negotiate for when you get released. The NMB is not on your side.
At Sun Country it literally was the last hour of the last multi day meeting that ownership was told that we were being released and they opened up the check book.
It took 5 years of bu!!$hit, failed mediation, and a useless NMB to get us where we are now. You will only get what you negotiate for when you get released. The NMB is not on your side.
#16
You could possibly argue that a few people at ALPA make enough money to be a member at the same country club as the members of the NMB. Then you'd also have to assume ALPA national gives a **** about your small pilot group and will pull strings to assist your release for self help.
#17
You could possibly argue that a few people at ALPA make enough money to be a member at the same country club as the members of the NMB. Then you'd also have to assume ALPA national gives a **** about your small pilot group and will pull strings to assist your release for self help.
#18
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I take back part of that statement, ALPA would never allow any of their executives to pay for a golf club membership from their take-home pay. They are far too good at making sure your pilot dues going to National are delegated for those deserved perks. They are purely non-profit and exist for the betterment of the professional airline pilot.
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You could possibly argue that a few people at ALPA make enough money to be a member at the same country club as the members of the NMB. Then you'd also have to assume ALPA national gives a **** about your small pilot group and will pull strings to assist your release for self help.
It seems that ALPA supported spirit pilots during their strike, no?
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