pangolin

Mesa does give people a fair chance to succeed. Just because you are hired doesn’t mean you’ll make it to the line. Failure rates are high.

avi8tor614

I concur, Mesa has raised the bar. Not as easy as it used to be. Captains started to complain and low and behold training management listened....... or is is that we are near staffing levels lol

Whatmeworry

Is Gojet aqp for initial or just recurrent? What about direct entry caps?

Itsajob

I have read where different carriers have high initial failure rates. Is the bar set unrealistically high, or where it should be and people are getting hired who aren’t ready to succeed? I had a check airman at one of the regionals tell me that it’s not uncommon to need 100 hours of IOE to get someone up to standards before signing them off. If that’s the case then the regionals are either hiring people who should have never been hired, or they are taking what they can get and running them through the program until they pass out of desperation.

ninerdriver

Was it OO? Because that totally sounds like OO.

"Oh, we have all the really cool four hour legs, so we need more OE hours to get the landing practice in."

Flyinlynn

Initial is not AQP

Itsajob

It was xjt, but I’ve heard captains tell me the same thing from the other regionals that I commute on. Pretty consistent story. People with little background are hired and then need a ton of time to be brought up to speed. The puzzling thing to me is that they don’t seem to want to work that hard to get there. With AQP they don’t seem to consider having to repeat lessons as a failure. I guess I’ve turned into the grumpy old guy. My first jet job was on the panel of the 727. We had an old school class that was 2 weeks long where you had to build the airplane and pass a 2-3 hour stand up oral covering every switch, electrical bus, backup source, etc. It was pass or you’re fired, so we were all at a desk or in class 14-15 hours a day, every day, but we all passed. The simulator was the same way. I still expect that kind of effort and I’ll never understand people who don’t. Not everyone is lazy, most aren’t, but it sure seems like the system tolerates that behavior more these days and an increasing number of new pilots entering this profession seem to be OK with it.