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FollowMe 03-28-2020 12:42 AM


Originally Posted by paulhood (Post 3014582)
It means “Either some people leave on their own or we force some people to leave” LOL

So tell me how voluntary people on leave somehow ban the company from hiring. You seem to be confusing it with a furlough which is entirely different and provides protections, hence not meaning what you think it means.

flynd94 03-28-2020 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by FollowMe (Post 3014631)
So tell me how voluntary people on leave somehow ban the company from hiring. You seem to be confusing it with a furlough which is entirely different and provides protections, hence not meaning what you think it means.

You realize that UA reduced its schedule by 60% system wide. We are being told the cuts for May/June will be deeper. I can’t see any company offering voluntary leaves and then holding new hire classes. Everyone is in cash preservation mode and your cash comes from UA.

BRJPilot 03-28-2020 07:51 AM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 3014749)
You realize that UA reduced its schedule by 60% system wide. We are being told the cuts for May/June will be deeper. I can’t see any company offering voluntary leaves and then holding new hire classes. Everyone is in cash preservation mode and your cash comes from UA.

I don't think XJT got the memo on that. They are offering COLAs and still running very full new hire classes....for the time being!

itsmytime 03-28-2020 07:53 AM


Originally Posted by BRJPilot (Post 3014885)
I don't think XJT got the memo on that. They are offering COLAs and still running very full new hire classes....for the time being!

those new hire classes aren’t going to be too full until they figure out the atp-cup situation.

flynd94 03-28-2020 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by BRJPilot (Post 3014885)
I don't think XJT got the memo on that. They are offering COLAs and still running very full new hire classes....for the time being!

I am still tuned at Xjet and there are no classes scheduled past April and now their ATP/CTP vendor has shutdown temporarily.

BRJPilot 03-28-2020 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by itsmytime (Post 3014892)
those new hire classes aren’t going to be too full until they figure out the atp-cup situation.

Those coming in with prior 121 experience don't need the ATP/CTP course. Those are the folks are who they are actively recruiting right now.

BRJPilot 03-28-2020 08:36 AM


Originally Posted by flynd94 (Post 3014929)
I am still tuned at Xjet and there are no classes scheduled past April and now their ATP/CTP vendor has shutdown temporarily.

They have the ability to teach their own ATP/CTP course if they see the need. The 175 sim across the parking lot from the training center could be used for this since they aren't training any 175 pilots these days. Regardless, the fact that they still have 5 classes scheduled is quite a bit different than "no new hire classes and COLA".

itsmytime 03-28-2020 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by BRJPilot (Post 3014939)
They have the ability to teach their own ATP/CTP course if they see the need. The 175 sim across the parking lot from the training center could be used for this since they aren't training any 175 pilots these days. Regardless, the fact that they still have 5 classes scheduled is quite a bit different than "no new hire classes and COLA".

i don’t disagree. Melit chastised me for saying that xjet is still holding classes (which is very true) and they are still the only airline doing that.

Itsajob 03-28-2020 10:07 AM


Originally Posted by FollowMe (Post 3014631)
So tell me how voluntary people on leave somehow ban the company from hiring. You seem to be confusing it with a furlough which is entirely different and provides protections, hence not meaning what you think it means.

Why would a company trying to reduce staffing cost encourage people to take voluntary leaves and then turn around and hire furlough fodder? United is going to cut deeper in May and June. Both regional and legacy airlines are looking at furloughs this fall.

FollowMe 03-28-2020 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 3015038)
Why would a company trying to reduce staffing cost encourage people to take voluntary leaves and then turn around and hire furlough fodder? United is going to cut deeper in May and June. Both regional and legacy airlines are looking at furloughs this fall.

I’m not saying they will or won’t, but the assertion that every single person on leave has to be back on line before the company can be allowed to hire a new pilot is absurd. It takes 4-6 months from application/interview to get a pilot on line and flying, it’s not about what UA plans are in May/June, it’s about what their plan in September, October, November and beyond are.


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