Advice regarding GoJet
12-06-2008, 08:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 328dude
movement exists if a regional carrier is actively hiring.
basically, if he can rationalize going to gojet (or you can rationalize for him), fine, but anyone who goes there has to do one of two things: either have no idea about the industry, or rationalize why his "career development" is more important than the many reasons not to go there.
you also gotta think that if he's got 1500 hrs, any more SIC is kinda worthless. He's not gonna get any PIC there anytime soon. If he's looking to go to a better job...GoJet isn't it.
12-06-2008, 08:33 PM
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"you would not want an....ex-mesa"
Disagree with Rickair on this one.
I have four friends who have been at Mesa. Probably three of four were before Ricks time.
One I personally recommend at UPS and he got hired. Didn't even have to sit in the pool.
One went to Delta, furloughed, successful big Corp CP, then went back to DL, last I heard.
One went AWE, now US airways.
One is trying like heck to get out, last I heard, Avantair.
I'm no fan of JO or buying a job via MAPD. But I don't condemn Mesa pilots, as unpopular as that can be. In general, being a pilot at Mesa won't hold you back.
Disagree with Rickair on this one.
I have four friends who have been at Mesa. Probably three of four were before Ricks time.
One I personally recommend at UPS and he got hired. Didn't even have to sit in the pool.
One went to Delta, furloughed, successful big Corp CP, then went back to DL, last I heard.
One went AWE, now US airways.
One is trying like heck to get out, last I heard, Avantair.
I'm no fan of JO or buying a job via MAPD. But I don't condemn Mesa pilots, as unpopular as that can be. In general, being a pilot at Mesa won't hold you back.
12-06-2008, 08:40 PM
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Consider that even in this environment, GoJet still can't get enough qualified people to apply. In addition, their turnover is so bad that they're hiring direct entry captains.
12-06-2008, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by de727ups
I'm no fan of JO or buying a job via MAPD. But I don't condemn Mesa pilots, as unpopular as that can be. In general, being a pilot at Mesa won't hold you back.
12-06-2008, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Pilotpip
Consider that even in this environment, GoJet still can't get enough qualified people to apply. In addition, their turnover is so bad that they're hiring direct entry captains.
Interesting, why are they having such a high turnover rate?
12-06-2008, 08:53 PM
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You're still working for Hulas and the same bunch of goons. Do you really think it would be any different?
This is just pure speculation on my part. They've been flying for a number of years now yet still don't have enough qualified FOs for upgrade. What other reasons could there be? Not like they're taking delivery of 10 aircraft per month.
This is just pure speculation on my part. They've been flying for a number of years now yet still don't have enough qualified FOs for upgrade. What other reasons could there be? Not like they're taking delivery of 10 aircraft per month.
12-06-2008, 08:54 PM
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It's not the turnover rate although I heard it used to be when everyone was still hiring. They've got 10 airplanes coming by the end of 09 so they need 100 more pilots. They hired a lot of commercial min guys when they started because no one would even apply there. The guys with 1000 hour SIC all probably went to Skywest, so those comm min guys are still short of upgrade mins. That explains the street captains.
12-06-2008, 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by de727ups
"you would not want an....ex-mesa"
Disagree with Rickair on this one.
I have four friends who have been at Mesa. Probably three of four were before Ricks time.
One I personally recommend at UPS and he got hired. Didn't even have to sit in the pool.
One went to Delta, furloughed, successful big Corp CP, then went back to DL, last I heard.
One went AWE, now US airways.
One is trying like heck to get out, last I heard, Avantair.
I'm no fan of JO or buying a job via MAPD. But I don't condemn Mesa pilots, as unpopular as that can be. In general, being a pilot at Mesa won't hold you back.
Disagree with Rickair on this one.
I have four friends who have been at Mesa. Probably three of four were before Ricks time.
One I personally recommend at UPS and he got hired. Didn't even have to sit in the pool.
One went to Delta, furloughed, successful big Corp CP, then went back to DL, last I heard.
One went AWE, now US airways.
One is trying like heck to get out, last I heard, Avantair.
I'm no fan of JO or buying a job via MAPD. But I don't condemn Mesa pilots, as unpopular as that can be. In general, being a pilot at Mesa won't hold you back.
What he meant was an ex-mesa guy being on the hiring board that was shafted by the freedom A guys, or a TSA pilot being on the hiring board interviewing a go-jet pilot. No being a Mesa pilot won't hold you back, but being one of the original freedom mesa pilots potenially would be.
12-06-2008, 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Purpleanga
It's not the turnover rate although I heard it used to be when everyone was still hiring. They've got 10 airplanes coming by the end of 09 so they need 100 more pilots. They hired a lot of commercial min guys when they started because no one would even apply there. The guys with 1000 hour SIC all probably went to Skywest, so those comm min guys are still short of upgrade mins. That explains the street captains.
12-06-2008, 09:15 PM
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Dang, BZNpilot beat me to it.
I'm no fan of JO or buying a job via MAPD. But I don't condemn Mesa pilots, as unpopular as that can be. In general, being a pilot at Mesa won't hold you back.
de727, I think you misread what Rickair was trying to say. The way I read it was that if you were a GoJet or Freedom A-lister you would not want an ex-TSA or ex-Mesa pilot to be on your interview board because of what Gojet and Freedom did to the pilots at the latter two airlines. I didn't interpret it as him saying being a Mesa pilot would have consequences similar to being a GoJet pilot.
Anyways, just trying to help set things straight
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Originally Posted by de727ups
I'm no fan of JO or buying a job via MAPD. But I don't condemn Mesa pilots, as unpopular as that can be. In general, being a pilot at Mesa won't hold you back.
The majority of major pilots probably aren't too familiar with the situation, but some of today's regional pilots will be involved in hiring at the majors someday....you would not want an ex-tsa or ex-mesa pilot on your hiring borad, or as a sim instructor.
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