RJSAviator76

OK little buddy... once again, you're mixing emotional ranting with reality. STOP! GoJet might be TSA in your heart, in your opinion, etc.

However, NMB disagrees with you, and so does the law AT THIS POINT, and realistically, that's all the matters until it either gets changed through negotiation or legal review. You have to accept that reality first before you can truly take any effective action. If you're living in denial and in the world of emotions, you're only setting yourself up for a major fall and failure.

My questions still remain...

Mach93

So according to your logic, mainline UAL will be scabbing if they fly to the same cities that UAL and TSA currently share frequency while you are on strike. How about Republic and Mesa?

Purpleanga

GJ/TSA are the same company. The courts found that it was a "legal" alter ego which doesn't really matter. All you need is a seprate website and office space. One owner one paycheck. The same management that controls TSA, controls Gojet. So when TSA strikes, GJ will fill in for TSA with the 66 seaters, management has already made that clear. In fact more TSA routes are being flown today then a year or two ago by GJ but they're not technically scabs because there hasn't been a strike. So any gojet that will be flying will become a scab. UAL,TSA,Republic and MESA are separate companies with nothing in common other than they fly airplanes. Get it.

JetPilotMike

You just don't have any idea what you are talking about.

Mach93

You said
If you look at the time tables not only does TSA share routes with Gojet they also share routes with Mesa, Republic, and yes Mainline UAL. There for you can't just pin this on Gojet because they are owned by the same holding company. Any company that flys a route "Previously flown by TSA" the day before the strike (I am making this a simple argument) Strike +1 minute into it, is crossing the line no mater who ownes the company.

boilerpilot

As much as I hate to agree with you, you're technically correct. Any ADDITIONAL frequency added on a route during a strike is technically crossing the line. Let's say that there are three United flights from IAD-STL operated by TSA. If TSA goes on strike, and any company operating under the United banner then adds three frequencies between IAD-STL, then those pilots are technically crossing the picket line, because those routes are "struck work" now. That is why it's important to check with your union, regardless of whether you work for RAH, GJ, Mesa, Skywest, or UAL (yes, even mainline), on whether or not that unfamiliar flight number you're working is struck work.

That being said, Purpleanga also has an important point. That is that struck flying is rarely transfered from company to company (aka, Skywest generally will not pick up three extra frequencies to be operated for three days while a strike goes on), however, it is much more likely that a company that owns two airlines can transfer it pretty easily to the other airline. When you are the boss of both companies, it's a simple matter of putting your TSA hat on saying "I want to subcontract this flying to you", then putting your GJ hat on and saying "I accept this subcontracting to fly these certain routes!". All the money stays in house anyway, and because there's no effect on the Mainline partner, because all the costs are the same, the Mainline partner won't pursue legal action against GJ or TSA for violating the terms of their contract. That is, unless they're looking to get rid of them anyway and want to go through that hassle.

Seeing as the TSA management has (apparently) indicated that this is exactly what they'll do, I think the concerns of the TSA pilot group are justified. One thing I heard from a former coworker of mine who still works at TSA is that the reason management wants this bridge proposal is that they need another 18 months to get GJ in a position to sustain itself financially, at which point they'll just drop TSA entirely. However, at this point, they need the cash flow of TSA to finance GJ, so they offer a stop-gap measure to try and get those 18 months out of them so that they CAN eventually make the shift over. The fact is that TSA is at the point where a merged list with GJ is a deal-no-deal item. Why would management allow a merged list unless it truly was because GJ can't survive without TSA? A merged list with fences costs the company next to nothing, because it's not like you even need to merge the certificates (which some people have suggested; this is very costly, the merged list is not). The GJ pilots at this point might not want to allow a merged list, but once presented with the inevitable facts from management about the unlikely hood of a GJ survival after a TSA strike, what choice will they really have? They'll be between the same proverbial rock and a hard place that TSA was in '05.

JayHub

Ok. I've been reading this thread for a while. I want to know when can we strike? We are in section 6. The way I see it the sooner we strike the sooner waterskiers can get back to work.

YugoDriver

If this were France we would have already gone on strike several times. Once for a new contract and then we would have gone on strike just for fun.

145mule

Ha Ha! That is very true.

Just a side note, A friend who lives in France told me that their Train Engineers and Conductors still receive hazard pay for being exposed to coal/smoke. Yet they are operating clean high-speed trains. Wow!

RJSAviator76

So let me get this straight, the courts found it was a "legal alter ego" as you call it, but court's decision really doesn't matter?? It's what Purpleanga said that matters, right?

Do you even see the absurdity of your statements? I mean really... what country do you live in? Better yet, what world do you live in??