GoJet hiring or just taking applications???
10-20-2009, 12:31 PM
#21
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They've actually lowered their minimums. They were 1500TT 500 multi. In this current economic environment with so many pilots on the street, what does that tell you?
10-20-2009, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Zapata
The original poster asked a simple question. Why don't you put a sock in it and start your own GJ bashing thread?
Now back the topic.......
Now back the topic.......
10-20-2009, 12:45 PM
#23
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"My Regional is better than your Regional" *eyeroll* You need to shake the sand out of your diaper(s)
10-20-2009, 01:25 PM
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Yo-nited has an LOA with GeauxJ that lets their furloughed pilots get preferential hiring and start at 2nd year pay.
With 300 more mainline guys on the street.. apparently they have a deep pool of guys well above the mins posted there waiting for a class.
Of course it doesn't hurt to curry favor with the only major you fly for...
Those of you waiting around for a call from Uncle Hulas.. I wouldn't hold your breath
With 300 more mainline guys on the street.. apparently they have a deep pool of guys well above the mins posted there waiting for a class.
Of course it doesn't hurt to curry favor with the only major you fly for...
Those of you waiting around for a call from Uncle Hulas.. I wouldn't hold your breath
10-20-2009, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyASA
I don't think you'll find too many willing to do that, since none of them understand what their company represents.
Ok prove to me and everyone else here GoJet has good contract.
You are missing the big point. It's about raising the bar and gaining industry leading contracts. There is nothing industry leading about their contract. The only thing the creation of GoJets and their seperate list has done is given Hulas the ability to whipsaw two pilot groups against each other when the new MRJs come.
How is either group supposed to get better QOL, pay, benefits, etc. with that hanging over their heads?
How is either group supposed to get better QOL, pay, benefits, etc. with that hanging over their heads?
There is a difference between an ASA and GoJet newhire, just look at the contracts. The ASA pilot costs more than the GoJet pilot, the ASA pilot is therefore less attractive to management at the majors looking to drive down costs by giving out RJs. If every group looks to beat each other's contracts then we all become less attractive to management and ultimately more jobs stay at the majors.
The TSA pilots wanted better rates to fly the CRJ-700s and they could have flown them on the GoJet certificate with out scope problems with American (RAH does it everyday) but Hulas managed to set up GoJet with a seperate seniority list and staff it with people willing to work for less. How can you not see that as a problem? It sets the same dangerous precedent that Freedom did, but at least Mesa was able to rein that in.
The only thing similar between a newhire at ASA and a newhire at GoJet is the 1st year pay. What about 2nd year, 3rd year, etc. The ASA pilot also has better work rules too.
We have nothing near a mainline contract but our last contract was a small step in the right direction. The creation of GoJet was a step backwards and them having a crappy union and contract doesn't make up for it.
To draw a distinction between you and a GJ pilot is talking out of both sides of your mouth.
Last edited by LeftWing; 10-20-2009 at 07:41 PM.
10-20-2009, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by nigelcobalt
I don't think 1000/200 hrs is low for a place like gojet. In '06-'07 it seemed like they were hiring guys with wet comm/multi's. As has been mentioned before, you never know if you'll be stuck at the regional you choose for a very long time. Might as well wait it out for a quality one (as quality as a regional can get). I think I would fly single pilot ifr in a piston twin before I would go to a place like that.
10-20-2009, 07:55 PM
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Originally Posted by LeftWing
That is a gross oversimplification and presumption. You cannot, with ANY intellectual honesty stand behind such a ridiculous statement.
Glossing over with generalities (Yes I think you are) aren't we? I don't know their contract/ HOwever, I do know that contracts aren't black and white, good or bad. There are many articles....probably some bad, some good. It is not up to you or I whether or not they're "good". It is up to the individual airlines' pilots that voted on it. (So contracts are evaluated in a vacuum now? We all know they're compared to each other all the time)
And ASA's is industry leading? (Yes within the Regional industry I believe most would agree it is)
Nope, there's no difference between a GJ or an ASA pilot's level of professionalism or whether or not they're raising the bars.(except ASA pilots didn't willingly join a company created to circumvent the bargaining power of their brother's, not some over arching pilot brotherhood.... actually the guys they had previously been unionized with) None. (So yea, a bunch)
GJ pilots are on their way to...they voted in a union....certainly a step in the right direction (Keep in Mind neither ALPA nor Teamsters 747 would take them)
Incorrect. There are many, MANY more similarities. (ok, they fly CRJ's and they wear uniforms I guess they're the same)
However, a union contract (no matter what your opinion) is a step in the right direction too. (Not if your union doesn't enforce it)
To draw a distinction between you and a GJ pilot is talking out of both sides of your mouth.(You're nuts?)
Glossing over with generalities (Yes I think you are) aren't we? I don't know their contract/ HOwever, I do know that contracts aren't black and white, good or bad. There are many articles....probably some bad, some good. It is not up to you or I whether or not they're "good". It is up to the individual airlines' pilots that voted on it. (So contracts are evaluated in a vacuum now? We all know they're compared to each other all the time)
And ASA's is industry leading? (Yes within the Regional industry I believe most would agree it is)
Nope, there's no difference between a GJ or an ASA pilot's level of professionalism or whether or not they're raising the bars.(except ASA pilots didn't willingly join a company created to circumvent the bargaining power of their brother's, not some over arching pilot brotherhood.... actually the guys they had previously been unionized with) None. (So yea, a bunch)
GJ pilots are on their way to...they voted in a union....certainly a step in the right direction (Keep in Mind neither ALPA nor Teamsters 747 would take them)
Incorrect. There are many, MANY more similarities. (ok, they fly CRJ's and they wear uniforms I guess they're the same)
However, a union contract (no matter what your opinion) is a step in the right direction too. (Not if your union doesn't enforce it)
To draw a distinction between you and a GJ pilot is talking out of both sides of your mouth.(You're nuts?)
10-20-2009, 08:21 PM
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I really don't see a problem with working for gojet at this time and juncture (in the past it would have been different), and once and for all, gojet pilots are NOT scabs, if you think otherwise the dentist probably offers you a lollipop for being a good boy (or girl).
The most important thing you should remember is that if you're looking for good career advice, a public internet forum is the last place you'll find it.
If you wan't to see what real pilots think about the GJ situation take a look at the thread in the majors section where UAL furloughees are posting about GJ, for the most part they'll say that all this regional infighting is what you might expect from a child and that GJ is just another regional.
Speaking of which, I've been online (on APC) for a year now... wheres my raise?
The most important thing you should remember is that if you're looking for good career advice, a public internet forum is the last place you'll find it.
If you wan't to see what real pilots think about the GJ situation take a look at the thread in the majors section where UAL furloughees are posting about GJ, for the most part they'll say that all this regional infighting is what you might expect from a child and that GJ is just another regional.
Speaking of which, I've been online (on APC) for a year now... wheres my raise?
10-20-2009, 09:01 PM
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Originally Posted by aviatorhi
I really don't see a problem with working for gojet at this time and juncture (in the past it would have been different), and once and for all, gojet pilots are NOT scabs, if you think otherwise the dentist probably offers you a lollipop for being a good boy (or girl).
The most important thing you should remember is that if you're looking for good career advice, a public internet forum is the last place you'll find it.
If you wan't to see what real pilots think about the GJ situation take a look at the thread in the majors section where UAL furloughees are posting about GJ, for the most part they'll say that all this regional infighting is what you might expect from a child and that GJ is just another regional.
Speaking of which, I've been online (on APC) for a year now... wheres my raise?
The most important thing you should remember is that if you're looking for good career advice, a public internet forum is the last place you'll find it.
If you wan't to see what real pilots think about the GJ situation take a look at the thread in the majors section where UAL furloughees are posting about GJ, for the most part they'll say that all this regional infighting is what you might expect from a child and that GJ is just another regional.
Speaking of which, I've been online (on APC) for a year now... wheres my raise?
10-20-2009, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by whoareyou310
NOT SCABS??? you must have been living under a rock your entire life
And, even though I don't work for GoJet, they are NOT scabs. A scab crosses a PICKET LINE OF STRIKING WORKERS!!! I've been on strike and watched former friends cross the line and forever change my perception of them. (It's not fun)
okay, you can go back to trashing GJ now...and AirWillie will be posting in 3...2....1...
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