GoJet hiring or just taking applications???
10-20-2009, 09:45 PM
#31
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Originally Posted by NoStep
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okay, you can go back to trashing GJ now...and AirWillie will be posting in 3...2....1...
okay, you can go back to trashing GJ now...and AirWillie will be posting in 3...2....1...
Wow, the timing is pretty freaky.
10-20-2009, 09:58 PM
#32
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Originally Posted by FlyASA
Ok prove to me and everyone else here GoJet has good contract.
You are missing the big point. It's about raising the bar and gaining industry leading contracts. There is nothing industry leading about their contract. The only thing the creation of GoJets and their seperate list has done is given Hulas the ability to whipsaw two pilot groups against each other when the new MRJs come.
How is either group supposed to get better QOL, pay, benefits, etc. with that hanging over their heads?
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You are missing the big point. It's about raising the bar and gaining industry leading contracts. There is nothing industry leading about their contract. The only thing the creation of GoJets and their seperate list has done is given Hulas the ability to whipsaw two pilot groups against each other when the new MRJs come.
How is either group supposed to get better QOL, pay, benefits, etc. with that hanging over their heads?
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Here is my problem with your bashing.... Your management Skywest or ASA or whichever it is just gave UA 80 million dollars(probably the value of Gojet and a couple of regionals combined) to get more flying. You like to talk about theory and what could have or should be happening in our profession, no matter what happened in 05, how are we and others supposed to get our rates and qol up in our next contract when our management wants us to be paid as little so that next time they can afford to outbid Skywest/ASA when they pay 80 million when they should be earning it with good performance??? Better yet they could just ask us to go non union to compete with skywest hmmm???? As it was said by Leftwing: there is something wrong with working for a regional airline and then bashing another regional airline especially when your reginal just paid to outbid everyone. Skywest RAH etc are supposed to be industry leaders, they're buying up majors left and right and their contracts still say 23 bucks an hour. That is the reality of the regionals and it will continue to happen, that's why it's called the regionals.
10-20-2009, 10:38 PM
#33
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Originally Posted by AirWillie
You keep bringing up the contract. Do you know anything about the Gojets contract? How much we credit what our pay is? Our QOL?
Here is my problem with your bashing.... Your management Skywest or ASA or whichever it is just gave UA 80 million dollars(probably the value of Gojet and a couple of regionals combined) to get more flying. You like to talk about theory and what could have or should be happening in our profession, no matter what happened in 05, how are we and others supposed to get our rates and qol up in our next contract when our management wants us to be paid as little so that next time they can afford to outbid Skywest/ASA when they pay 80 million when they should be earning it with good performance??? Better yet they could just ask us to go non union to compete with skywest hmmm???? As it was said by Leftwing: there is something wrong with working for a regional airline and then bashing another regional airline especially when your reginal just paid to outbid everyone. Skywest RAH etc are supposed to be industry leaders, they're buying up majors left and right and their contracts still say 23 bucks an hour. That is the reality of the regionals and it will continue to happen, that's why it's called the regionals.
Here is my problem with your bashing.... Your management Skywest or ASA or whichever it is just gave UA 80 million dollars(probably the value of Gojet and a couple of regionals combined) to get more flying. You like to talk about theory and what could have or should be happening in our profession, no matter what happened in 05, how are we and others supposed to get our rates and qol up in our next contract when our management wants us to be paid as little so that next time they can afford to outbid Skywest/ASA when they pay 80 million when they should be earning it with good performance??? Better yet they could just ask us to go non union to compete with skywest hmmm???? As it was said by Leftwing: there is something wrong with working for a regional airline and then bashing another regional airline especially when your reginal just paid to outbid everyone. Skywest RAH etc are supposed to be industry leaders, they're buying up majors left and right and their contracts still say 23 bucks an hour. That is the reality of the regionals and it will continue to happen, that's why it's called the regionals.
Ok but honestly.. Skywest must be doing something right! They had the money to finance United! How come Gojets couldnt enter a business transaction like that? Meanwhile Skywest will make money off interest from the transaction while companies like Gojets just look for scraps on the ground. You talk about bashing.. what was that comment? All of us furloughed pilots at ASA were offered interviews over there, but in my opinion anyone who took a job and gave up their number at ASA made a huge mistake... ASA is a great company, and so is Skywest.. Don't bash them for making good business decisions and having the money to have a competitive advantage. There is more to the airline business than just underbidding... you have to make yourself stand out! I've worked everywhere from revenue management to ACS and have a business and aviation degree.. There is a reason why I am staying as a furloughed pilot at ASA and flying helicopters until then because I really think both Skywest and ASA have a great business plan and look at the big picture.. being competitive by not just bidding the lowest price...
10-20-2009, 10:53 PM
#34
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Originally Posted by whoareyou310
NOT SCABS??? you must have been living under a rock your entire life
10-21-2009, 02:05 AM
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I love a good GoJet debate, and even more so watching other regional pilots bash them for "lowering the bar."
I don't know if any of you guys watched the congressional hearing on raising the qualification requirements for regional airline, but Prater really nailed it when he said the entire industry needs an overhaul. Lot of good will it do you to raise a bar at one regional when a Repshuttlequa will undercut you along with Mesa, Trans States, GoJet. You have 6 or so seniority lists flying for United. More than that for Delta. The flying gets shifted around based on costs, and even more so because a regional airline DOES NOT own its code or its flying, so if your costs get out of line, you'll suffer the loss of flying at some point or face concessions.
FlyASA, you ask what major airline will take you from flight instructor job. It's funny you should ask that because that leads me to believe that you are just "building time" to get to a major which is understandable. So basically, you are taking your part in a rat race to get a number at a major. Nothing wrong with that... we've all been there. You need to get your PIC time, pick up OT left and right to put some PIC hours in that logbook, and finally make some decent cash, right? This is the fundamental way of thinking of your stereotypical regional pilot in the US and therein lies the problem - your entire mindset is that of a transient employee except this is on a much bigger scale.
When that mindset changes from the rat race to a major into approaching and viewing regionals as career airlines, you will see vast improvements. Until then... enjoy the race.
I don't know if any of you guys watched the congressional hearing on raising the qualification requirements for regional airline, but Prater really nailed it when he said the entire industry needs an overhaul. Lot of good will it do you to raise a bar at one regional when a Repshuttlequa will undercut you along with Mesa, Trans States, GoJet. You have 6 or so seniority lists flying for United. More than that for Delta. The flying gets shifted around based on costs, and even more so because a regional airline DOES NOT own its code or its flying, so if your costs get out of line, you'll suffer the loss of flying at some point or face concessions.
FlyASA, you ask what major airline will take you from flight instructor job. It's funny you should ask that because that leads me to believe that you are just "building time" to get to a major which is understandable. So basically, you are taking your part in a rat race to get a number at a major. Nothing wrong with that... we've all been there. You need to get your PIC time, pick up OT left and right to put some PIC hours in that logbook, and finally make some decent cash, right? This is the fundamental way of thinking of your stereotypical regional pilot in the US and therein lies the problem - your entire mindset is that of a transient employee except this is on a much bigger scale.
When that mindset changes from the rat race to a major into approaching and viewing regionals as career airlines, you will see vast improvements. Until then... enjoy the race.
10-21-2009, 04:04 AM
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Wow anyone been to the Gojet website lately? Looks like they changed it from their original one. GoJet Airlines - Home
There's a long picture montage on the main page. The pilots and flight attendants look like they qualify for AARP. There's an occasional 20 something SJSer here and there.
There's a long picture montage on the main page. The pilots and flight attendants look like they qualify for AARP. There's an occasional 20 something SJSer here and there.
10-21-2009, 05:32 AM
#37
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Originally Posted by AirWillie
You keep bringing up the contract. Do you know anything about the Gojets contract? How much we credit what our pay is? Our QOL?
Here is my problem with your bashing.... Your management Skywest or ASA or whichever it is just gave UA 80 million dollars(probably the value of Gojet and a couple of regionals combined) to get more flying. You like to talk about theory and what could have or should be happening in our profession, no matter what happened in 05, how are we and others supposed to get our rates and qol up in our next contract when our management wants us to be paid as little so that next time they can afford to outbid Skywest/ASA when they pay 80 million when they should be earning it with good performance??? Better yet they could just ask us to go non union to compete with skywest hmmm???? As it was said by Leftwing: there is something wrong with working for a regional airline and then bashing another regional airline especially when your reginal just paid to outbid everyone. Skywest RAH etc are supposed to be industry leaders, they're buying up majors left and right and their contracts still say 23 bucks an hour. That is the reality of the regionals and it will continue to happen, that's why it's called the regionals.
Here is my problem with your bashing.... Your management Skywest or ASA or whichever it is just gave UA 80 million dollars(probably the value of Gojet and a couple of regionals combined) to get more flying. You like to talk about theory and what could have or should be happening in our profession, no matter what happened in 05, how are we and others supposed to get our rates and qol up in our next contract when our management wants us to be paid as little so that next time they can afford to outbid Skywest/ASA when they pay 80 million when they should be earning it with good performance??? Better yet they could just ask us to go non union to compete with skywest hmmm???? As it was said by Leftwing: there is something wrong with working for a regional airline and then bashing another regional airline especially when your reginal just paid to outbid everyone. Skywest RAH etc are supposed to be industry leaders, they're buying up majors left and right and their contracts still say 23 bucks an hour. That is the reality of the regionals and it will continue to happen, that's why it's called the regionals.
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Tell me AirWillie, which major has Skywest Inc. bought? UAL has a market cap of $1.14 billion, Skywest's $80 million dollar loan won't buy UAL. Not even close. Skywest Inc. used its financial muscle to outbid carriers like Mesa, TSA, etc. The loan Skywest has provided is at a much lower interest rate than UAL could have gotten otherwise and it is from a creditor that wants to see UAL stay solvent.
If this had been a strict operating cost comparison there is no chance ASA would have won this flying. Inc. made a good move and I like the idea of my management securing flying from their back pocket not mine. They could have asked for concessions saying they needed them to get the contract, but they didn't.
Of course I speak for everyone here when I say I wish UA was keeping the 737s, but Tilton seems hell bent on giving it away. So if we beat out GoJet, Mesa, TSA, etc. in the future by using our financial muscle then I'm totally ok with that. In fact I think it's a good thing. If the only way your company can win contracts is by beating concessions out of the employees you have to ask yourself how business savvy your management team is and if that is the place you want to work for. Skywest/ASA provides better pay, benefits, QOL, etc. than Mesa, TSA, GoJet, and Pinnacle and yet we still make more money. Do you even want your management to win new flying if it costs you more and more of your QOL, pay, and benefits? Why would you want to be a part of that? I would hope that you would say "NO!" if your management came to you and said, "We need you guys to go nonunion, give up pay, benefits, etc. so we can beat Skywest for this RFP." I would question my management and ask, "Why can they afford to pay us more and you can't?" We all fly the same aircraft into and out of the same cities. Our CRJ-700s aren't cheaper than yours, we don't use a special type of fuel, etc. So why does your management need to pay you less to fly them but yet your company still struggles to make money? They are messing something up and should get their own house in order before they come to you with an open hand begging for money.
BTW the problem I have with your defense of GoJet is that you used to bash them until you got furloughed and went there.
"When that mindset changes from the rat race to a major into approaching and viewing regionals as career airlines, you will see vast improvements. Until then... enjoy the race."
The thing is I don't view it as a rat race. If I did I would have gone to GoJet because they have quicker upgrade times. I think a lot of us need to realize that we might all get stuck at regionals if they keep growing. If you had to get stuck at a regional, which one would you choose? ASA/Skywest or GoJet.
10-21-2009, 05:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Blueskies21
I see your position as 737... do you work for United? Are you planning on going to Gojet or just defending others that have? If you really do fly a 737, that's either a major or cargo.... and if that's the case and you can't see the difference between ASA's contract and union compared to Gojet's Contract and union then I'm thinking you are certifiable. Just because a pilot group votes a contract in doesn't make it a good contract....
10-21-2009, 05:36 AM
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huh, that is really odd why did they block out the url?
well that was from talk airline .com
well that was from talk airline .com
10-21-2009, 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by minimwage4
Wow anyone been to the Gojet website lately? Looks like they changed it from their original one. GoJet Airlines - Home
There's a long picture montage on the main page. The pilots and flight attendants look like they qualify for AARP. There's an occasional 20 something SJSer here and there.
There's a long picture montage on the main page. The pilots and flight attendants look like they qualify for AARP. There's an occasional 20 something SJSer here and there.
So, What exactly is your point?
It really does appear that you have issues!!!
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