OJ was found innocent in a court of law, it doesn't make him innocent People get acquitted every day because of technicalities. As much as we would like to think Justice is blind it isn't, you have to account for the political landscape. During the creation of GoJet we had a very pro-management environment with a very pro-management NMB.

The fact is negotiations broke down between TSA MEC and TSA management, so TSA management created Go Jet and a separate list to get around negotiating with the TSA MEC. That is a textbook example of an alter-ego airline. Hulas didn't want to pay TSA pilots more to fly a larger jet. That doesn't constitute "poor negotiations."

If your airline was so Kosher how come neither ALPA or the Teamsters 747 would represent you?

Your contract is not industry average and the fact that you are proud of that is embarrassing.

If by "earn our RJs" you mean have concessions beaten out of us by management then I'll have to pass. I'd rather let management pay for them out of their pockets.

No one is going to buy UA outright, they have a market cap of $1.14 billion. Buying enough stock to gain a controlling interest would drive up the price of the stock. No regional has that much money.

I guess you want to forget the past because you used to bash GoJet.

 

I think by being financially RESPONSIBLE and using earned cash resources... that they earning the flying. If Gojet had the money, they would have done the same thing. Think outside of the box!!! Its called competitive advantage...

 

But that doesn't make any sense. Wouldn't 2005 TSA pilots have accepted the current pay and contract then? Why would an airline that was created to get around "paying" already low wages to pilots, form a union and an industry average contract? Wouldn't they continue to be non union with 50 seat wages since they already have thse "soft" and "understanding" pilots? You and I will never know what exactly went on at the negs and the time line required to finalize Gojet. And one thing's for sure the MEC did not see the seriousness of Gojet and the importance of securing CRJ700 flying. Granted no one can see the future and in 2005 50 seaters were still popular. They should have made like RAH which secured their E170 flying by agreeing to 37 dollar top out rates for 99 seaters. Look at where they are now.

 

Nope, it still doesn't matter. One can of factual information and a gross omission can still completely change everything. Any amount omission cannot change the facts and it doesn't take an paper to show it. What are the facts? One is that anyone that condemns a pilot for hiring on to GJ that ignores what Trans Scabs Airlines pilots did to Eagle is a hypocrite, period. Oh? Does referring to TSA pilots as scabs sound ridiculous? Well, so is referring to GJ pilots as such. I have no problem with TSA pilots and I don't really think they're scabs....I'm just trying to point out how stupid, STUPID it is to say that GJ pilots are scabs. I do have a problem with TSA pilots that are hypocrites.

As for GJ's contract. Unless you're a GJ pilot (no, I'm not and never was) you have no justification to criticize it. Even if you are a GJ pilot, you have no justification to criticize unless you voted no. That goes for any other regional. All of you whining about pay; Remember, you chose to work for Brand X and unless you voted "no" on the contract vote immediately following your hire date, then you need to put a sock in it. There's a reason that it is called and "agreement".

Someone else said it and it bears repeating. There is no distinction between GJ pilots and any other regional pilots. If you think otherwise, you're just deluding yourselves....probably to make yourselves feel better for being King of the Crap.

Rant off.

 

It absolutely constitutes poor negotiations/representation. If TSA had a contract worth a shoot, scope protection would have been in it. They made their own bed.

Oh yeah, these are real stand-up unions. Come on! ALPA is bad enough. But 747? They're a joke.


And you're proud of yours? Yeah, ok, best contract among all of the Wal Mart airlines. Good job!

BTW; Air Wisconsin's and Eagle's contracts are better....so I've heard. Then again, to each their own. You should take the same approach.

 

wine...wine...moan...moan...complain...complain!! That's all most of you do anymore, trying to prove your point is correct while bashing someone else's. The day you all learn to work together is the day that you ACTUALLY HELP THE INDUSTRY. 5% of the crap you put on here is actually usable, so why not focus your time on something more useful. I'd rather listen to a debate about whether the McRib should be brought back or not then read this GoJet thing again. While this has a little to do with GoJet, it has everything to do with APC (especially the Regional threads.)

 

Then don't read it. Preventing the spread of Gojet's IS helping the industry. You may not agree, that's your right. I ,for one, am open to suggestions for ways to improve the industry. Have any? Mine would be the seniority integration of Gojet and TSA.

Also, Zapata the difference between eagle/tsa and gojet/tsa is tsa wasn't created to go around eagle. That whole cluster stemmed from American buying TWA and TSA's long role as Trans World Express.... as for the planes that were borrowed from Eagle, they were returned when eagle could staff them at the expense of TSA furloughs.. so I'd say Eagle got it's justice there, is it hypocritical for TSA to seek similar justice against Gojet?

 

I was excited about the McRib last season but for some reason I had two back to back encounters with really horrible cuts of "meat". I'm not too crazy about it but I'd give it another try if it comes back.

 

It was probably the McRib washed down with that Koolaid you've been drinking.

 

You don't have an industry average contract no matter how many times you tell yourself. Even if it was average, that is nothing to be proud of. Would you be proud to be a C student in school?

GoJet not only allowed Hulas to pay less but it also allowed him to reset longevity as well. Finally instead of having one pilot group to deal with Hulas can now whipsaw TSA against Go Jet pilots. How is either group going to negotiate for better contracts when there is the whipsaw factor hanging overhead. Hulas also now knows that he can start another alter ego if he doesn't get what he wants from either TSA or Go Jet pilots. He got away with it once, he can/will try it again.

Now imagine what would have happened if you and others hadn't gone to Go Jet for the quick upgrade and instead stood behind the TSA pilots. Go Jet would still exist but there would be one seniority list and thus no chance for whipsaw. Everyone at TSH would have an easier time getting a better contract. Yeah it wouldn't fix the regionals but it would be a step in the right direction and that is all we can do, take small steps towards making things better.


Funny how you try and deflect attention to RAH. No one at RAH was hired knowing that they would be replacing Midwest pilots or flying 100 seat aircraft. Everyone hired at Go Jet knows that they are playing a roll in replacing another work group. If RAH was hiring right now or during the Midwest acquisition then those pilots would be guilty of replacing Midwest jobs.

OperatorError: Kind of hard to work together when we have Alter-ego airlines like Go Jet that undercut us. Some of us are actually trying to help the industry. If you don't want to read this than don't, problem solved.

Zapata: You bet there will be other things we'll be looking for to improve on our next contract and we'll compare ours to others and if there our better provisions in someone else's contract will work for that or something better.

ALPA is only as strong as it's local MEC. We finally had enough B.S. with our company and did the safety campaign, look how quickly that got us our new T.A.

If we don't compare contracts and discuss the good ones and the bad ones how is anyone supposed to get something better if we don't know what else is out there?