I'm furloughed from an alpa carrier due to losing flying to another alpa carrier because of Delta's decision so the losing of flying to another regional is nothing new to Delta example: those N***CA 700's with ASA on the front or the N***LR 900's that were slated to go to Comair after the freedom mess was over. Those airplanes would have prevented my furlough but they are at ASA now. The regional does not own the flying, mainline does.

 

this ALWAYS makes me laugh. well not really... EVERY single person on here whines and complains and b!tches and moans about how regional pilots agree to fly for such low wages, nobody will stand up for themselves, we dont get paid enough, blah blah blah. but as soon as someone gets hosed because they DID stand up for themselves it was pure arrogance!! are you *******KING kidding me?! more justification bullsh!t!

we all know if they had accepted what was dealt to at least secure the flying everyone would instead be complaining about how another airline lowered the bar once again. how bout instead of claiming the pilots were arrogant, we instead say they were naive for expecting unity from the rest of the "brotherhood" in their fight. absolutely sickening...

 

Failing to secure scope is the gift that keeps on giving (for the company). By securing scope, the TSA pilots would have had leverage in all future section 6 negotiations. The TSA pilots could have stood up for themselves when they had a leg to stand on.

If TSA ALPA had told the TSA pilots that the 4 year contract extension in exchange for scope was the best they could get, I highly doubt it would have been voted down. The ALPA reps told it's pilots to vote no. The premise was that there would be a better deal.

2 months after the pilots voted it down, the TSA MEC Chairman signed the GoJet LOA and submitted it to the company having made only 1 change. The 4 year deal he campaigned against was changed to 3 years. The company rejected the offer stating that the 4 year deal was the end of the road.

If the 4 year deal was so bad, why did the MEC Chairman crawl back to the company with a signed, 3 year deal in hand? Why did he do it all under the table without a pilot vote? Why did he depart TSA shortly after for greener pastures, leaving behind a complete disaster?

My whole point is that by not securing scope, the company now has the ability to keep their costs in the basement & undercut the industry, permanently. This has allowed them to gain more flying at the expense of higher cost jobs. Had the TSA pilots voted for the GoJet LOA, this ability would have been temporary, but instead, once again, it is permanent. So, did TSA pilots really stand up for themselves or not?

I firmly believe that the TSA pilots had the best of intentions, but were mislead by their reps. I also believe that their reps had the best of intentions, but misjudged the situation. I have tremendous respect for the TSA pilots and hope for nothing but the best for them. I fear, however, that the end of the line is much closer.

As far as the original purpose of this thread, I would not recommend that anyone to go to GoJet. Unfortunately, it is an attractive offer for many frustrated long-term FOs. A quick place to build PIC time, and a subsequent shot at the majors is the whole point of this career.

I disagree with many about what to do about GoJet pilots. Continuing jumpseat wars more than a half decade after TSA stopped pursuing that flying is unproductive. I do not choose who rides on the jumpseat anymore, but when I did, I took GoJet pilots on a couple of occasions. They became a very captive audience when I told them what I thought about Gojet, and the negative impact it had.

I don't have positive feelings for the original GoJet folks who selfishly fought the TSA pilots to keep the flying divided. Anyone hired after the flying was voted down, and after the NMB allowed separate operation to continue does not deserve mistreatment. They also don't deserve my sympathy because they knew full well what they were getting in to.

 

I would love to see all three groups stand together to fight for scope and job security. But there is too much apathy and intimidation on the gjet side. The guys that started the whole mess still run that company. The "union" wouldn't help you if you got fired for not wearing your hat.

 

No, I'm not kidding. Listen closely......."SECURE THE A/C FIRST" then work on the pay.

 

First of all, I ALWAYS find it sad when pilots criticize other pilots for attempting to better our profession. I'm really shocked that you called the TSA pilots arrogant for demanding more pay for a larger airplane. It truly is sad.

Second, did you see how long it took TSA to get a new contract? Just voting yes and then going for pay raises would've equaled flying -700's for years at below standard 50 seat rates. Sad

 

Why would they do that tho what benefit is there for them? Gojet just got more flying, they're about to grow even more. The only party that needs help, the party that has no leverage is Trans States.

 

The eventual demise of TSA because of what happened back then will be even more sad. Hindsight is 20/20.

 

All the undercutting, taking other pilots job's BS!!!! What about the almighty SKYWEST undercutting Mesa's US Express flying? They're flying at a loss just to keep those 200's flying. Talk about undercutting!!!