Originally Posted by Flitestar (Post 1402879)

G7 was created as a result of your union trying to play hardball with the company without protection. When TSA offered their pilots the 700 flying, the union didnt think the payrates were fair (valid point), but the union never had the required leverage to counter-offer, because yall's scope allowed the creation of an alter ego. Hulas is a weasel. Weasels do this kind of BS.

There wasnt going to be any negotiation involved anyways, and Hulas knew this.

TSA created G7 because the scope in TSA's pilot contract allowed it. As simple as that.

With that said, I would probably have beef with any pilots that jumped ship at that precise moment. But I sure as hell wouldnt point a finger to a comair guy for making a decision that he thought was best for him. Hell, I never heard any other regional pilot group offering money from their monthly paycheck to pay for those Comair pilot's bills and mortgage.

TBucket, honest question here: I know all this G7 stuff happened before you where even hired, but do you know if any pilot actually jumped ship from TSA to G7 when it was started? No sarcasm here, honest question...

Originally Posted by Pilotguy143 (Post 1402957)

Dare I say it, But I think we agree on a very basic point. No one will stand up for anything in the Regional Airline Space. It's a shame to be sure-- but it's the way it is on a basic level

Originally Posted by CaptainCarl (Post 1402981)

No, it didn't. Hulas, being the clever weasel that he is, created a holdings company (a la Trans States Holdings) and then created GoJet.

And yeah, there were a number of TSA pilots that abandoned their brothers in order to get a super senior number at GoJet.

Originally Posted by Flitestar (Post 1403149)

Precisely, that's one of the many loopholes that TSA's pilot contract's scope didnt have well covered to protect them against whipsawing/alter-ego airlines.

Originally Posted by CaptainCarl (Post 1403185)

And I suppose that makes GoJet's creation legitimate?

Originally Posted by WarpSpeed (Post 1403284)

It couldn't have been done without the cooperation of other pilots who only cared about bypassing more senior/experienced pilots to better themselves instead of trying to help the regional situation as a whole. The flying still would have been there, lots of hiring and upgrades (just at TSA instead of another lowball regional)...but maybe the pay would now be better for those 70 seaters. My father used to tell me how it was a brother/sisterhood of pilots but I guess that's with military where you had to protect each others' a$$! Now I suppose with regionals it's all about me...

Originally Posted by Dejavu (Post 1403292)

I think it's the same at majors too .

Originally Posted by WarpSpeed (Post 1403284)

It couldn't have been done without the cooperation of other pilots who only cared about bypassing more senior/experienced pilots to better themselves instead of trying to help the regional situation as a whole. The flying still would have been there, lots of hiring and upgrades (just at TSA instead of another lowball regional)...but maybe the pay would now be better for those 70 seaters. My father used to tell me how it was a brother/sisterhood of pilots but I guess that's with military where you had to protect each others' a$$! Now I suppose with regionals it's all about me...

Originally Posted by CarolinaAngler (Post 1403307)

... I recommend talking to the old guys about what it used to be like. Very enlightening.