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Old 03-25-2020, 06:47 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff View Post
who said it does?
abuse is not the only way to use drugs. Like alcohol, nagative effects appear for some users, and do not for others. Time to let adults be adults, just like we do with alcohol and tobacco

Agree with me on what? You’ve made up a strawman and then stated a half-truth in this post.
Actually I think the devastating health effects of tobacco are becoming more clear than ever. Smoking has a stigma against it in the US. Smoking is unhealthy.

Why should we lie to society and children and pretend that marijuana is harmless?

Why should marijuana companies get away with false advertising by posting billboards extolling the health “benefits” of marijuana? Why is it OK for marijuana companies to lie in advertisements claiming that marijuana is harmless?
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Old 03-25-2020, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff View Post
you wrote: “Just because some people don’t avoid alcohol doesn’t make marijuana healthy.”

Nobody here made that argument, but you erected a “strawman,” or a false argument you could tear down.

your half truth was that you don’t differentiate between use and abuse.
I mentioned abuse because that is what the studies covered, I don’t know about occasional use.

You didn’t make the argument, but socially and in the media I have frequently heard:

”Beer is more dangerous than marijuana. Beer is legal, so marijuana should be legal.” (I haven’t seen proof that marijuana is safer than beer.)
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Old 03-25-2020, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi View Post
Actually I think the devastating health effects of tobacco are becoming more clear than ever. Smoking has a stigma against it in the US. Smoking is unhealthy.
it is. We still allow adults to choose to smoke

Why should we lie to society and children and pretend that marijuana is harmless?
who has suggested that we should lie about the effects of marijuana?

Why should marijuana companies get away with false advertising by posting billboards extolling the health “benefits” of marijuana? Why is it OK for marijuana companies to lie in advertisements claiming that marijuana is harmless?
They should probably get to advertise the actual (and yes, they’re real) medical benefits of cannabis. I haven’t seen any ads claiming that marijuana is affirmatively harmless, and I’m sure you haven’t, either. If you wish to argue about disclosure requirements similar to alcohol, that’s probably okay with almost everyone on the “legalization” side.
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Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi View Post
I mentioned abuse because that is what the studies covered, I don’t know about occasional use.

You didn’t make the argument, but socially and in the media I have frequently heard:

”Beer is more dangerous than marijuana. Beer is legal, so marijuana should be legal.” (I haven’t seen proof that marijuana is safer than beer.)
you haven’t looked for proof if you haven’t found evidence that marijuana is less dangerous than alcohol.
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Old 03-25-2020, 07:11 AM
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Originally Posted by OOfff View Post
it is. We still allow adults to choose to smoke

who has suggested that we should lie about the effects of marijuana?


They should probably get to advertise the actual (and yes, they’re real) medical benefits of cannabis. I haven’t seen any ads claiming that marijuana is affirmatively harmless, and I’m sure you haven’t, either. If you wish to argue about disclosure requirements similar to alcohol, that’s probably okay with almost everyone on the “legalization” side.
I have seen billboards arguing that marijuana is safe.

I wish you a pleasant day, my friend.
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Old 03-25-2020, 07:15 AM
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My point is that we can't even get pilots to get off their smart phones, when the FAA regulations prohibit their use. How many selfies or scenery pictures are posted on social media using the cell phone camera which is an electronic recording device that is prohibited by the FAA to use in flight?
Up until 2 days ago we were required to put on the O2 mask when the other pilot left the flight deck above FL250, yet how many of us actually did?
Selfie stick out the window on taxi out? Haven't actually seen it, but heard stories of "that guy". And I have heard stories of "that guy" who argued with his captain that vaping was okay in the flight deck, after seeing the Sim Check airman walking through the sim building vaping between sessions.
What about these jack offs who meow on guard? Do you think they have the maturity to control their partaking of the herb without the threat of the FAA test?
More than once in my younger days, I busted the 12 hours bottle to throttle rule by drinking at the strip club 4 hours prior to show. Yet when I was on a trip with an O-6, the half drank beer sat there left alone at exactly 12 hours.

Without a viable test to prove when the last toke or nibble of the edible was we will have pilots who eat 1/4 of a brownie on a 3 hour sit, cause ya know it's just a natural herb that'll wear off.

Looking forward to the day I turn 65 and get to novRev to Washington or Colorado to watch these three sheep dancing. It'll be an edible cause I can't believe any storyline that says that putting smoke into your lungs is not unhealthy.
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Old 03-25-2020, 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi View Post
I have seen billboards arguing that marijuana is safe.

I wish you a pleasant day, my friend.
marijuana is safe. That doesn’t mean there is zero potential for harm with excess use.

see also: alcohol is safe to consume.
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Old 03-25-2020, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi View Post
haha sorry I don’t really know what a strawman is. Care to educate me?
This is a "Strawman" argument:

Originally Posted by 3EngineTaxi View Post

1. Just because socially-accepted alcohol is bad for your health doesn’t mean marijuana is somehow good for your health.
A strawman argument is one in which someone fabricates a position that nobody has argued, then argues against that fictitious position and pretends that they "won". The term comes from describing that practice as building a strawman then knocking him down, which is easy because there no substance to a man made of straw.

On a superficial level, your statement is correct, because it is true that alcohol being bad for your health does *not* prove that Marijuana is good for your health. But you're making a strawman argument because no one, not one single person in this thread, has claimed that marijuana is good for your health. So, you're "arguing" against a claim that you yourself fabricated and entered into the discussion.

It's a textbook example of the Strawman fallacy, as was the guys who earlier kept trying to pretend people were advocating having pilots or doctors impaired at work.
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Old 03-25-2020, 11:26 AM
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One interesting thing I noticed when going through Redmond TSA was a sign stating "Marijuana and marijuana products are prohibited on flights leaving Oregon".

I then asked the KCM guy what about flights that begin and end in Oregon, like Horizon Redmond to Portland. He just shrugged and said, "It's legal here." What a wild time!
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Originally Posted by OOfff View Post
marijuana is safe. That doesn’t mean there is zero potential for harm with excess use.

see also: alcohol is safe to consume.
Oh no you didn’t just make this generic 3 word response; “marijuana is safe.”
Please address what that means. Way to open ended. Here are some starting points for you:

Safe for what? In relation to what? In what intake manner? Where? When? How? Cite your scientific method data sources. Is your statement based only on outside credible sources or combined with your own testing and research. If you are going to throw down blanket statements, we want some background on why you make this statement.
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