foumanchu

I haven't done research and don't have any websites to quote, but I did recently fly with someone who was raised in Canada and now lives in the states.

We discussed the standard topics like healthcare and alcohol. My take is it is better here and we aren't missing anything. Maybe it is different in the UK or Europe, but for the most part, said person was happier in the US.

Oh, and this person gave their personal experience with a very serious medical issue that showed Canada's healthcare is NOT better.

Airhoss

UK health care is a nightmare!

Name User

I don't know your buddies specific situation but for my family the Canadian system was a lifesaver. Also you really can't argue against the data - less cost (by a significant margin) and longer lifespans. If their system was bad, lifespans would be under ours.

Also keep in mind we are kinda insulated from the US system. I don't know where you work but being Union my healthcare plans have been cheap and good. My wife works for a profitable IT company and her plan is even better than ours and cheaper. But she has also worked at places that had outright deplorable coverage, the reality is that is most of the US right now. So comparing gold plated fairly inexpensive coverage mostly funded by our employers to the Canadian system in putting your head in the sand a little bit.

Larry in TN

Here's a Canadian, talking to Canadians, about the problems of the Canadian healthcare system.

https://business.financialpost.com/o...ked-last-again

Lifespans don't necessarily equate to healthcare quality. Diet, lifestyle, accidental death rates, murder rates, etc. all go into the lifespan statistics but don't have anything at all to do with healthcare quality. A better metric for comparison is specific outcomes. For example, how long does the average cancer patient live after diagnosis under each system?

Here's an article with that data.

https://www.firstthings.com/blogs/fi...ope-and-canada

Here's a video (by a Canadian) that demonstrates the challenges of Canada's system.

https://youtu.be/q2jijuj1ysw

Ben Shapiro has a good point about the US healthcare system. He says that it has the worst parts of both socialized and private systems. It has too much government control and influence for market forces to work as they should and it doesn't have the universality that would normally be part of a socialized system. The result is that, while the medical care itself is top notch, it is too expensive.

In other words, those who argue against a Canadian-style system aren't necessarily saying that they like the current system as it is today. Rather, they prefer more free market in the system so that competition and price transparency could provide the incentives for lower prices and improved efficiency that is found in areas of the medical system that aren't typically covered by insurance and government programs--most notably, LASIK and cosmetic procedures where the costs have plummeted while the quality of outcome has soared.

CousinEddie

And they are tired of listening to Bernie’s lack of understating of how their societies actually function.

https://fee.org/articles/the-myth-of...ian-socialism/

Bluesideup1

Math and logic would be your friend because that is exactly what I paid in federal taxes.

Now if you are talking about all the other taxes that equal about 40% by the time I paid them then yes we need to do away with a large number of those. But then again Buffet also pays most of those to like sales tax, county taxes, school taxes so even Buffets taxes are more than 16% by the time he is done paying all his taxes.

Lets not even get started on the fact that he used that money to grow a business that now employs 360,000 people that all pay taxes. So his money actually generated a lot more tax revenue than your paltry sum.

Now tell me again what math considers 1.6 million nothing?

galaxy flyer

You’re, no doubt, comparing Scandinavian countries to the US. Well, descendants of Scandinavia in the US for several generations are wealthier and live longer than the average US citizen. So, to make the US like those countries, you’ll have the US much more like Scandinavia. You have to deal with the US as it is, not as you’d like it.

GF

OOfff

Nothing can ever change?

RJSAviator76

Oh sure it can. Let’s do some comparisons, shall we?

Scandinavia is home to 3 countries: Denmark, Norway, Sweden. Some may include Finland and Iceland, but now you’re more talking Nordic.

Ever look at the total populations of these countries?

Ever look at the vast natural wealth of these countries as it relates to the total population?

How about this... how homogeneous are these countries? And how about in comparison to the US?

Let me put it another way and be a tad more blunt. The kind of socialism and idiocy that AOC and the millennials are wanting wouldn’t work here simply due to our own overpopulation. It would maybe work if this country had 130 million people, it doesn’t work with 330 million people using the same finite resources.

Want that kinda socialism? You’ll have to figure out how to get rid of about 200 million people in this country.

Some on the left seem to have it figured out though...

OOfff

Other people hold the opinion that it can work for 300m+ people.