Trump sending military to mid east
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Iran's proxy, Hezbollah is linked to the deaths of over 300 Americans in attacks in Lebanon during the 1980s. These attacks included the 1983 bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, which killed 241 American service members. Additionally, Hezbollah was implicated in the 1983 bombing of the U.S. embassy and the 1984 bombing of the U.S. embassy annex, both in Beirut. The group has also been linked to the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 U.S. Air Force personnel.
Iran's proxy, Hamas murdered 43 American citizens and took at least 10 American citizens hostage.
Iran's proxy, the Houthi's have been attacking commercial vessels and US forces.
Iran's proxy, Hamas murdered 43 American citizens and took at least 10 American citizens hostage.
Iran's proxy, the Houthi's have been attacking commercial vessels and US forces.
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Iran's proxy, Hezbollah is linked to the deaths of over 300 Americans in attacks in Lebanon during the 1980s. These attacks included the 1983 bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, which killed 241 American service members. Additionally, Hezbollah was implicated in the 1983 bombing of the U.S. embassy and the 1984 bombing of the U.S. embassy annex, both in Beirut. The group has also been linked to the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 U.S. Air Force personnel.
Iran's proxy, Hamas murdered 43 American citizens and took at least 10 American citizens hostage.
Iran's proxy, Hamas murdered 43 American citizens and took at least 10 American citizens hostage.
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Iran's proxy, Hezbollah is linked to the deaths of over 300 Americans in attacks in Lebanon during the 1980s. These attacks included the 1983 bombing of the U.S. Marine barracks in Beirut, which killed 241 American service members. Additionally, Hezbollah was implicated in the 1983 bombing of the U.S. embassy and the 1984 bombing of the U.S. embassy annex, both in Beirut. The group has also been linked to the 1996 Khobar Towers bombing in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 U.S. Air Force personnel.
Iran's proxy, Hamas murdered 43 American citizens and took at least 10 American citizens hostage.
Iran's proxy, the Houthi's have been attacking commercial vessels and US forces.
Iran's proxy, Hamas murdered 43 American citizens and took at least 10 American citizens hostage.
Iran's proxy, the Houthi's have been attacking commercial vessels and US forces.
AND, count the thousands of US Servicemen killed and maimed in Iraq from Iranian shaped charge IED's, which were game changers in how that conflict went, and the resources expended. You can believe the US should never have gotten into Iraq while acknowledging Iran took huge advantage and introduced serious deadly weaponry into the conflict. The PTSD is incalculable, destroyed tens of thousands of families... The suicide epidemic - 140,000 since 9/11, an unknown but large portion of which is directly linked to the THREAT posed by Iran (in both Iraq and Afghanistan). A threat they have been perpetuating for 46+ years.
Just what do people like Sonic think a Radical Shiite Theocratic Iran is going to do with a Nuke? Just sit back and put it on a shelf?? What about second order effects of Iran possessing a Nuke, and what that does to stability in the Middle East? Saudi has already stated that if Iran gets a Nuke, they will be forced to pursue one too. And on, and on...
It is 10000000% in US interest to prevent a radical islamist exporter of worldwide terrorism from obtaining Nuclear weapons.
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So yes that's my assessment.
DPRK top dogs want to enjoy power, wealth, and privilege. Period. And they have very firm control over their government, military, and society to that end. Junior talks smack to further his own ends, and 99% of that is for internal consumption.
IR top dogs want to enjoy power, wealth, and privilege, and that includes most of the clerics. However... when they roused the rabble back in '79 they created a fundamentalist monster, and now have a separate military force (and matching sub culture in society) who are extremely focused on some specific religious tenants, none of which are compatible with live and let live.
The leaders have to feed this beast, lest it conclude that they're either weak or not worthy, and turn on them. Talking the talk works up to a point, but eventually they may have to walk the walk... could be that's what Oct 7 was all about.
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You’re not wrong of course. Not while there’s still unfinished business from past sins. Better, gotta do better
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Like many others, I enjoyed the value of an iranian cash bond on my head, payable to whomever would videotape my death, and spent many worthwhile hours following munitions from Iranian hands to a safehouse or intermediate locations and ultimately to their use or destruction, in several countries. Iran is unquestionably a state sponsor of terrorism, and a global threat, and continues to interdict in multiple critical international shipping lanes. I have been the recipient, as have many others, of their spoofing and jamming and interference in lawful flight operations. Their interest extends well beyond their borders, whether it's manned and unmanned interference with air traffic south of Iran (going on for many years now) to signals interference, sponsoring and involvement in cyber crime and cyber terrorism, the supplying of money and weapons to various terrorist groups in Asia, the Middle East, Europe, Africa, and beyond, and continues in alliances and partnerships with bad actors, terrorist and insurgent organizations, cells, and groups throughout the world. As a body politic goes, they're bad dudes. One can hope they'll stay over there, but without going there to prevent, they will come here, or send others here, or pay others to come here, who do not share our interest in peace, or safety. While their threat does contain the possession (and use) of nuclear weapons in the future, their immediate threat may extend from dirty bombs to beyond, and they are no friend to the US or our allies (including middle eastern partnerships that we did NOT subdue on behalf of Israel, as another poster incorrectly suggested).
Like it or not, the US does have interests in certain countries in the middle east (not exclusively Israel), and those interests are not universal. Israel is not the only country in opposition to Iran, and indeed, much of the middle east leans more toward Israel's position on Iran, not away from it. It's for that reason that several years ago the Saudi's altered their policy to give Israel authorization to conduct military activity against Iran, through Saudi airspace. Go figure...and certainly the Saudis were not forced to do that by the US...it was in the Saudi's interests. It still is.
The notion that defense forces and the military should be relegated to the US borders is naive and short sighted, and ignorant of global threats. We do not have the luxury of securing borders, isolating, and waiting for the threats to come to us, nor do we live in a world so insular that we can afford to ignore our interests abroad. It's a small world, and we're a big player within it. It's foolish to think otherwise.
Like it or not, the US does have interests in certain countries in the middle east (not exclusively Israel), and those interests are not universal. Israel is not the only country in opposition to Iran, and indeed, much of the middle east leans more toward Israel's position on Iran, not away from it. It's for that reason that several years ago the Saudi's altered their policy to give Israel authorization to conduct military activity against Iran, through Saudi airspace. Go figure...and certainly the Saudis were not forced to do that by the US...it was in the Saudi's interests. It still is.
The notion that defense forces and the military should be relegated to the US borders is naive and short sighted, and ignorant of global threats. We do not have the luxury of securing borders, isolating, and waiting for the threats to come to us, nor do we live in a world so insular that we can afford to ignore our interests abroad. It's a small world, and we're a big player within it. It's foolish to think otherwise.
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Like many others, I enjoyed the value of an iranian cash bond on my head, payable to whomever would videotape my death, and spent many worthwhile hours following munitions from Iranian hands to a safehouse or intermediate locations and ultimately to their use or destruction, in several countries. Iran is unquestionably a state sponsor of terrorism, and a global threat, and continues to interdict in multiple critical international shipping lanes. I have been the recipient, as have many others, of their spoofing and jamming and interference in lawful flight operations. Their interest extends well beyond their borders, whether it's manned and unmanned interference with air traffic south of Iran (going on for many years now) to signals interference, sponsoring and involvement in cyber crime and cyber terrorism, the supplying of money and weapons to various terrorist groups in Asia, the Middle East, Europe, Africa, and beyond, and continues in alliances and partnerships with bad actors, terrorist and insurgent organizations, cells, and groups throughout the world. As a body politic goes, they're bad dudes. One can hope they'll stay over there, but without going there to prevent, they will come here, or send others here, or pay others to come here, who do not share our interest in peace, or safety. While their threat does contain the possession (and use) of nuclear weapons in the future, their immediate threat may extend from dirty bombs to beyond, and they are no friend to the US or our allies (including middle eastern partnerships that we did NOT subdue on behalf of Israel, as another poster incorrectly suggested).
Like it or not, the US does have interests in certain countries in the middle east (not exclusively Israel), and those interests are not universal. Israel is not the only country in opposition to Iran, and indeed, much of the middle east leans more toward Israel's position on Iran, not away from it. It's for that reason that several years ago the Saudi's altered their policy to give Israel authorization to conduct military activity against Iran, through Saudi airspace. Go figure...and certainly the Saudis were not forced to do that by the US...it was in the Saudi's interests. It still is.
The notion that defense forces and the military should be relegated to the US borders is naive and short sighted, and ignorant of global threats. We do not have the luxury of securing borders, isolating, and waiting for the threats to come to us, nor do we live in a world so insular that we can afford to ignore our interests abroad. It's a small world, and we're a big player within it. It's foolish to think otherwise.
Like it or not, the US does have interests in certain countries in the middle east (not exclusively Israel), and those interests are not universal. Israel is not the only country in opposition to Iran, and indeed, much of the middle east leans more toward Israel's position on Iran, not away from it. It's for that reason that several years ago the Saudi's altered their policy to give Israel authorization to conduct military activity against Iran, through Saudi airspace. Go figure...and certainly the Saudis were not forced to do that by the US...it was in the Saudi's interests. It still is.
The notion that defense forces and the military should be relegated to the US borders is naive and short sighted, and ignorant of global threats. We do not have the luxury of securing borders, isolating, and waiting for the threats to come to us, nor do we live in a world so insular that we can afford to ignore our interests abroad. It's a small world, and we're a big player within it. It's foolish to think otherwise.
DNI said Iran isn’t advancing nuclear technology back in March. So, if our own intelligence is wrong, where is the proof? We’re supposed to commit to another 20 years ****show with no proof once again?
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