It's a pity to make a claims that are categorically false. They were actually pretty diverse in their beliefs with deists, skeptics and yes even borderline atheists making up their ranks. Jefferson, Madison, Washington, Franklin have all long histories of being skeptics and questioning religion's power. Paine and Allen were certainly non-believers, at least in a Christian god.

So you can attempt to paint with that broad brush but it is incorrect. Society as a whole back then? Certainly. But the great minds didn't go along well with the tomfoolery that organized religion attempts.

Edit to add, early drafts of the Declaration had ZERO mentions of other worldly powers. It was only after pressure from the more religious members of Congress that references were added. And that only in a broader, awe/mother nature sense.

 

Do you believe the last 8 months have been normal ops?

 

actually, sort of tame by historical standards. And trivial compared to the swings one has seen in Europe. When I lived in Germany I used to jog to a neighboring village and back. It was 2km away from our village and spoke a different dialect. The village we were living in were historically Catholic, the other historically Protestant. After the Reformation, there had been no trade, no intermarriage, no communication between the two villages for about 300 years until the Kaiser had knocked heads together. Their very languages had just drifted apart.

 

By the standards of the 21st century Uni-Party? No.

By historical standards? FDR? Lincoln? Johnson? Pretty tame actually.

I'd be careful taking too much for granted the stability we've enjoyed in our lifetimes. We've been watching pretty interesting events, mostly from pretty comfortable seats.

Our grandfathers got to see some events too, but they were in the ring, not the bleachers.

 

FDR and LBJ did it with congress. They did it by governing
.. I don't know enough to comment on Lincoln, but hemade his actions from the concepts of national good / tight and wrong.

There is absolutely no comparison between FDR. LBJ and the current guy. He does not govern, he rules. The man attempted to overturn the Republic, just to stay in power. This level of lawlessness he has been displaying is a direct continuation of his previous attempt. He views the government as his personal possession, rather than as belonging to the people.
Saying he has been "tame"compared to predecessors is absurd .

As to comments about Grandfather's in the ring.
In modern history, dating back to the 1400's, there had NEVER been an 80 year period without a war between what would be called the great powers.
Until now. 1945 to the present. This long periodof peace, the PAX-Americana happened due to the systems and institutions that DJT and his supporters are working to dismantle. Except the nukes will still be in place.
This can be labeled as ranging from profound stupidity to outright madness.

Their is nothing normal nor remotely precedented in this current Presidency.
Soviet styled Hero of the Revolution, or the Party banners hanging from a building tells us in a nutshell what has happened.
Don't defend it with false equivelencys.

 

There is nothing in our history even remotely as toxic and dysfunctional as the current admin. Jan 6th. States rights. Foreign policy. Willful disregard for judiciary.

Honestly, for you to even say this, just knocks you down a peg in my mind. It means that you are not looking at the current state of affairs in an objective and unemotional manner. Separating out your political bias. All Americans should be incredibly terrified of the erosion of due process and the respect for the rule of law. This will start to swing both ways, and when that happens, people that are in the cult will start to cry foul. And hypocrisy will flow like the salmon of Capistrano.

# wherearetheepsteinfiles

 

Yet there are parallels. Tex-Mex annex, confederate rebellion, use of deadly force by a National Guard unit at Kent State University, 1970.

 

Got it. TDS, more lasting than COVID but honestly, the guy’s only going to be in office for another three years and three and a half months and the country will survive. The current French Prime Minister will likely be out of office by the end of the day though

https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c5yqgnzw759t

and populist parties are surging in Germany, France, the UK, and Italy.

And yet Europe is still reluctant to pay for its own defense or even adequately fund their own future retirement needs assuming there is no war. This is the result of that eighty year period of them being supported by the US and ultimately considering it an entitlement. Yet that era of entitlement was always unsustainable, both politically and financially. Obama knew that when he only paid token attention to the seizure of Crimea.
https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/4063939-obama-defends-2014-crimea-response-in-cnn-interview/

Bush knew that when he paid only token attention to the seizure of Georgia.


Meanwhile, Russia, China, Iraq, and North Korea are forging a tighter and more synergistic alliance and Chinese influence in the global south is growing. We need to pay attention to the Pacific, the Arctic, our own hemisphere and our own country. If Europe can’t find the resources or personnel to defend Europe, that’s on them, not on us, or on Trump.

 

if anyone is currently advocating for a state religion I am unaware of it.

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-ne...rink-collapse/