Looks like hiring has slowed
03-21-2008, 07:00 AM
#11
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Looking up?
Originally Posted by Ewfflyer
Not to burst your oh-so-negative bubble, but night freight isn't the worst job in the world, and by far not the most dangerous(Ag-spraying I believe still tops the list), but I digress. It was the best experience I had as far as flying, I do miss those challenging nights. I'm not saying I'd go back to it, but I did enjoy my time in that position.
Flight schools are offering people anything from $35-50k for flight instructors right now, so not all are "low-wage." There's low-wage regionals, freight, flight instructing, hell there's low-wage fractional/charter/corporate jobs too that treat their people like crap.
It's all how you look at it, and as with 99% of your posts, it's looking down instead of up.
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Flight schools are offering people anything from $35-50k for flight instructors right now, so not all are "low-wage." There's low-wage regionals, freight, flight instructing, hell there's low-wage fractional/charter/corporate jobs too that treat their people like crap.
It's all how you look at it, and as with 99% of your posts, it's looking down instead of up.
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SkyHigh
03-21-2008, 09:21 AM
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Chicken Little
Originally Posted by FlyJSH
Have you ever noticed you never see SkyHigh and Chicken Little at the same time? Hmmm
SkyHigh
03-21-2008, 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by atpwannabe
But you know rick, gas/oil prices aren't coming down; and airlines will return to TBP a/c. That's the route I'm taking. No matter come what may, I firmly believe that turboprop-jet a/c will make a comeback in a very strong way; and I for one am willing to and will position myself to be in the hunt and then move on to the RJ's or higher. At least.........that's the plan.
Originally Posted by mcartier713
always full of positive feedback 
haha... i know i should have hopped on with great lakes when i had the chance. lol.
anyone know anything about planesense (alpha flying)?
haha... i know i should have hopped on with great lakes when i had the chance. lol.anyone know anything about planesense (alpha flying)?
Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Aviation is a cycle. Just last month guys here were claiming that they were planning to enjoy being a CFI and not just jump into a regional. I warned them that like the flip of a switch all the low timer hiring could dry up overnight.
Six months from now regionals could be hemorrhaging pilots out onto the street by the thousands and then no one with less than 3000 hours and previous 121 experience will see an interview room for most of a decade.
When I got hired at a regional I was the low time guy with 3800 hours. Those days will come back.
SkyHigh
Six months from now regionals could be hemorrhaging pilots out onto the street by the thousands and then no one with less than 3000 hours and previous 121 experience will see an interview room for most of a decade.
When I got hired at a regional I was the low time guy with 3800 hours. Those days will come back.
SkyHigh
What I'm trying to say is that while SkyHigh is usually (maybe even always?) negative, you should listen and weigh what he has to say carefully. Even though I don't agree with him most of the time, he has been around more than a lot of us have in this business.
03-21-2008, 11:40 PM
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my ten year aniversity of my first solo is this August. In the period of worst run in aviation history I've gone from 152 to B777. I consider myself very lucky, but it can be done! If you want it, you'll get it.
03-22-2008, 04:51 AM
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[QUOTE=kansas;345780]Just so you know, you might "move on" to the RJ's from a quick turbine PIC turboprop job, but you aren't "moving up" in that case.
In terms of not moving up is all relative. I'm 46. I fully and completely understand that my entire career may be spent at a regional airline. I'm ok with that. It's all good. However, at the same time, I recently made some contacts at UPSCO and was told.....point blank....that when I met the mins....give'em a call.
Of course that made me just as giddy as kid in a candy store, however I was told that in 99% of the cases when it comes to hiring at that level, it's not so much as "how much time and experience do you have", that's important; but "Can I live & get along with this person for the next month while flying with them." This is straight from the mouths of two freightdawgs that have a combined total experience of 40 years. One's at FedEx and the other UPS. Being able to assimilate one's self into a corporate culture is important; very important.
atp
In terms of not moving up is all relative. I'm 46. I fully and completely understand that my entire career may be spent at a regional airline. I'm ok with that. It's all good. However, at the same time, I recently made some contacts at UPSCO and was told.....point blank....that when I met the mins....give'em a call.
Of course that made me just as giddy as kid in a candy store, however I was told that in 99% of the cases when it comes to hiring at that level, it's not so much as "how much time and experience do you have", that's important; but "Can I live & get along with this person for the next month while flying with them." This is straight from the mouths of two freightdawgs that have a combined total experience of 40 years. One's at FedEx and the other UPS. Being able to assimilate one's self into a corporate culture is important; very important.
atp
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03-22-2008, 05:31 AM
#17
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Originally Posted by atpwannabe
In terms of not moving up is all relative. I'm 46. I fully and completely understand that my entire career may be spent at a regional airline. I'm ok with that. It's all good. However, at the same time, I recently made some contacts at UPSCO and was told.....point blank....that when I met the mins....give'em a call.
Of course that made me just as giddy as kid in a candy store, however I was told that in 99% of the cases when it comes to hiring at that level, it's not so much as "how much time and experience do you have", that's important; but "Can I live & get along with this person for the next month while flying with them." This is straight from the mouths of two freightdawgs that have a combined total experience of 40 years. One's at FedEx and the other UPS. Being able to assimilate one's self into a corporate culture is important; very important.
atp
04-02-2008, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Ewfflyer
Not to burst your oh-so-negative bubble, but night freight isn't the worst job in the world, and by far not the most dangerous(Ag-spraying I believe still tops the list), but I digress. It was the best experience I had as far as flying, I do miss those challenging nights. I'm not saying I'd go back to it, but I did enjoy my time in that position.
04-02-2008, 04:56 PM
#20
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I recently spoke with a group of up and coming students about airline flying, etc. Not one of them wanted anything to do with airline flying. Most common reason was money or lack there of. Others cited the cost of flight training. A private alone will run you 10k now. Add college to that it will run you close to 100k. Thats one of the cheap schools. They said it makes no sense to go into a field of work like where spend soo much and get very little in return for several years. Thats just half it. Talking job security, you get furlough you have to start over at the bottom. I have relative who is a HR manager. He told me he recently had to let somebody go because the did away with this sales guy's position. This guy got a 12wk severence pckg, plus a lump sum. He told me the guy actually complained it wasn't enough. Made me laugh, the guy should spend time in the airline biz. My feeling is another down turn and no raise in pay. When time comes to gooble up as many newbies they can find, they just might not find anybody.
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