God Bless Texas
07-10-2008, 08:46 PM
#111
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Originally Posted by jungle
This case may not be the best example of a clean shooting, but you can bet that it has given the worst sort of people pause to reflect.
I agree. Maybe if our legal system wouldn't take two years and spend millions of tax payer dollars only to give a life sentence to someone who admitted to masterminding the death of thousands on 9/11 would the people have more faith and criminals have less.
Chris Rock said it best when talking about crime punishment in other countries... "It's hard to snatch a purse if you don't have a ********** hand".
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07-10-2008, 08:56 PM
#112
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Originally Posted by ToiletDuck
I agree. Maybe if our legal system wouldn't take two years and spend millions of tax payer dollars only to give a life sentence to someone who admitted to masterminding the death of thousands on 9/11 would the people have more faith and criminals have less.
07-10-2008, 09:06 PM
#113
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Originally Posted by stinsonjr
I believe that one of the reasons they have been able to exonerate so many in Dallas with DNA is because Dallas kept the samples for LONG periods of time and it is still able to be tested. This, in contrast to Houston which hasn't had nearly as many DNA overturns because they do not keep the evidence as long. If you think Wade was a hard-ass, you should look up John Holmes (no...not Johnny Wadd...but the longtime DA in Houston). The US resumed executions in 1976 and between then and 1995 had executed a total of 330 or so people, with 104 being in Texas, and 33 (ten percent of the national total) of those from Harris County (Houston)...and Texas did not resume until 1982. Of the 440 or so people on death row, a little over 100 of those from Harris County. In fact, at one time in the early nineties, Harris County had 6 Capital Murder trials going on at once - a record. So...Wade may seem like a terrible guy to the more tender-hearted, pro-criminal types, but John B. Holmes Jr. down in Houston was the guy you didn't want to mess with. Just to make it complete and play into all the anti-redneck bias, he was a big man and had a handlebar mustache. Although crime in Houston didn't seem to be deterred in the least by his activities I can state conclusively that none of those put to death or waiting on death row ever committed a crime against the innocent again. He was kind of a mythic figure when growing up in H-town and I hope he is the Attorney General someday.
07-10-2008, 09:24 PM
#114
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Originally Posted by Shamrock23
I am not sure what to make up your comment, but you seem to be proud that the Houston DA gets rid of evidence faster than Dallas and that way none of the innocent people will be able to be found innocent in Houston like the innocent people in Dallas? Maybe you think people should be executed even if they did not commit the crime they are charged with because they are probably a criminal anyway?
That said, I am not particularly disgusted with Houston. They blew it on keeping th DNA stuff, but the DA was actually a force in that town and I am in favor of the death penalty. Part of it stems from a time in the late 80's when liberal judges were early paroling thousands of convicts due to overcrowding. 90% of these thugs got on a bus in Huntsville and took the short ride to Houston setting off a violent crime uptick. Notably, a cop was shot in cold blood in broad daylight - James Irby, by a recently paroled violent criminal. Everyone in that town was happy to know that John Holmes was putting these animals on death row after they killed people following their early release.
Sorry for the duality of my post - I am glad Dallas kept the DNA stuff...but I am also glad John Holmes was dilligent about putting violent offenders in the death-house.
07-11-2008, 06:26 AM
#116
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Originally Posted by mike734
Vagabond knows what I mean by Wade. I wouldn't expect you, de727ups, to know. Hmmm, somehow I know though. I wonder why?
For the rest of you. Wade refers to Henry Wade, former Dallas District Attorney. His "reign" was 36 years. He was the DA when Kennedy was assassinated and is the Wade in Roe Vs. Wade. Here is a clip from Wikipedia about Wade.
I know Vagabond will agree that Wade is not a shining example of good Texas justice.
As for my opinion of whether the decision regarding Horn is correct or not, I stated in my opinion that Texas should be its own country. I believe the vast majority of the country would not condone Horn's behavior. Just because the locals in Texas disagree doesn't make it right. Some states were slow to accept the fact that slavery is wrong too.
For the rest of you. Wade refers to Henry Wade, former Dallas District Attorney. His "reign" was 36 years. He was the DA when Kennedy was assassinated and is the Wade in Roe Vs. Wade. Here is a clip from Wikipedia about Wade.
As of May 2008, 17 people convicted during Wade's term as Dallas District Attorney have been completely exonerated of the crimes the were accused because of prosecutorial misconduct. Because of the culture of the department to "convict at all cost," systematic withholding of exculpatory evidence, and corruption under Wade, it is suspected that many more innocent people have been falsely imprisoned or even executed.[2] Project Innocence Texas currently has more than 200 cases under examination.
The man was a criminal, drunk with power. Any one case of prosecutorial misconduct is enough to damn the man. But the cases keep on coming. I know Vagabond will agree that Wade is not a shining example of good Texas justice.
As for my opinion of whether the decision regarding Horn is correct or not, I stated in my opinion that Texas should be its own country. I believe the vast majority of the country would not condone Horn's behavior. Just because the locals in Texas disagree doesn't make it right. Some states were slow to accept the fact that slavery is wrong too.
07-11-2008, 09:54 AM
#117
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
WOW a wikipedia entry on an old DA to indict the texas justice system.
07-11-2008, 10:42 AM
#118
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Originally Posted by mike734
I knew some (insert pejorative here) would call me out for a Wiki source. Never mind there are many other sources available to confirm my assertions including a link in my post. Nice work Fed.
This is probably a little esoteric for you but the main point of my reply was not the bogus nature of wiki sourcing; but using historical reference to place a current event into sociological context.
07-11-2008, 10:11 PM
#119
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
This is probably a little esoteric for you but the main point of my reply was not the bogus nature of wiki sourcing; but using historical reference to place a current event into sociological context.
(word of the day)
07-11-2008, 10:41 PM
#120
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
This is probably a little esoteric for you but the main point of my reply was not the bogus nature of wiki sourcing; but using historical reference to place a current event into sociological context.
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