Wow, here I thought Pilots were whiners..........
01-28-2009 | 11:06 AM
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You nearly had me release upon you a written tirade of which you have yet to have had the privilege to see before...
We are all volunteers... There are VERY few if any Vietnam era draftees still in service today. We know full well what we signed up for. To call us whiners? When? We get paid squat, have the worst living conditions ever... Tell me when you as a commuter at a ****ty hotel ever had to think about a mortar hitting your tent and blowing your ass to hell and back? And that is even if you get a tent... Do you even know how many nights we spend in some god forsaken hole in the ground? The term Dig-In has real meaning.
We don't complain about QOL, Benefits, or Pay. We are here for a higher cause, I won't wave a flag and say we are here to fight for freedom, and protect the States... Albeit true, however, We are here for our fellow soldiers. We are one. I would gladly die for the man/woman next to me. No matter race, creed, or color.
I say again, We are one. We accomplish missions and tasks that most corporations are envious of... If the pilot group could take something from us, it would be UNITY. Our all for one and one for all mentality, would serve a good purpose for you... However, Some of you dont get it.
You name me one other profession, that you have a very good possibility of getting shot at, blown up, or otherwise hurt for 2,200.00 a month...
My point being, you should never ever, I mean ever compare the Military to a pilot group. We do things you could only imagine. We are a cohesive group. You are a bunch of smaller groups that sometimes work together...
The apples and oranges addage comes into play here. How you can even begin to compare the two, I dont know.
And no, soldiers do not have the right to complain... As a soldier you give up certain rights and privleges... Free speach is one of them. You do as you are told, all the way up. No complaints, no if ands or buts. Do your job. That is all. Everyone has a job, if we all do it, then we survive(mostly) and get to go home. If one person does not do his/her job dozens are in danger. We dont get meetings, votes, or petitions to try and change what we think needs changing...
That is about it, this post kinda long, but nothing like the scalding one I was going to put up.
We are all volunteers... There are VERY few if any Vietnam era draftees still in service today. We know full well what we signed up for. To call us whiners? When? We get paid squat, have the worst living conditions ever... Tell me when you as a commuter at a ****ty hotel ever had to think about a mortar hitting your tent and blowing your ass to hell and back? And that is even if you get a tent... Do you even know how many nights we spend in some god forsaken hole in the ground? The term Dig-In has real meaning.
We don't complain about QOL, Benefits, or Pay. We are here for a higher cause, I won't wave a flag and say we are here to fight for freedom, and protect the States... Albeit true, however, We are here for our fellow soldiers. We are one. I would gladly die for the man/woman next to me. No matter race, creed, or color.
I say again, We are one. We accomplish missions and tasks that most corporations are envious of... If the pilot group could take something from us, it would be UNITY. Our all for one and one for all mentality, would serve a good purpose for you... However, Some of you dont get it.
You name me one other profession, that you have a very good possibility of getting shot at, blown up, or otherwise hurt for 2,200.00 a month...
My point being, you should never ever, I mean ever compare the Military to a pilot group. We do things you could only imagine. We are a cohesive group. You are a bunch of smaller groups that sometimes work together...
The apples and oranges addage comes into play here. How you can even begin to compare the two, I dont know.
And no, soldiers do not have the right to complain... As a soldier you give up certain rights and privleges... Free speach is one of them. You do as you are told, all the way up. No complaints, no if ands or buts. Do your job. That is all. Everyone has a job, if we all do it, then we survive(mostly) and get to go home. If one person does not do his/her job dozens are in danger. We dont get meetings, votes, or petitions to try and change what we think needs changing...
That is about it, this post kinda long, but nothing like the scalding one I was going to put up.
01-28-2009 | 11:16 AM
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I was simply illustrating flawed logic that some people have on this forum. I am not comparing the two together. I was comparing the reasoning used by other users on this forum to put other people down. I will spell this out for you: If a regional FO is considered a whiner because he complains about his QOL just because he made the decision to become pilot then using that logic that logic anyone unhappy with their job is considered a whiner. I happened to use troops as an example simply because the previous person used it in his/her post.
Don't accuse me of putting your profession down because that's the last thing I intended to do.
Don't accuse me of putting your profession down because that's the last thing I intended to do.
01-28-2009 | 11:58 AM
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01-28-2009 | 12:26 PM
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As a substitute teacher, I get real sick of listening to 1st and 2nd year teachers complain. 32k a year to start out. every weekend off. week for thanksgiving off. two weeks at christmas off. a week in the spring. 3 months in the summer. oh...and theyre home every night. i get so sick of hearing them joke about "food stamps."
01-28-2009 | 01:00 PM
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Or the millions they pay Blackwater VS paying for our troops to have better equipment. Blackwater uses that money to buy better equipment and pay their "contractors" 3-4 times more then an E-5 with 6yrs makes. In the meantime Marines out there have to field rig their HMMWV from small arms fire some even ordered parts with their own money.
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01-28-2009 | 01:42 PM
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I was simply illustrating flawed logic that some people have on this forum. I am not comparing the two together. I was comparing the reasoning used by other users on this forum to put other people down. I will spell this out for you: If a regional FO is considered a whiner because he complains about his QOL just because he made the decision to become pilot then using that logic that logic anyone unhappy with their job is considered a whiner. I happened to use troops as an example simply because the previous person used it in his/her post.
Don't accuse me of putting your profession down because that's the last thing I intended to do.
Don't accuse me of putting your profession down because that's the last thing I intended to do.
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01-28-2009 | 01:55 PM
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01-28-2009 | 02:20 PM
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You are right about their background. They have paid their dues time and again. My feeling (and maybe the other poster's) is that the issue is with the existence of that company -- not the men. Accountability and operation control (or lack thereof) top my list of concerns. It seems that the Rummy-tude was to contract out as much as possible. He was trying to cut/disband the military medical corps -- the wounded would only see contract docs. Why not take the money, grow the force (US military) and properly equip it? Because, just like big corporations, the government would be responsible for the care and retirement of more "employees" and could cost more than paying a subcontractor.
01-28-2009 | 03:28 PM
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As a substitute teacher, I get real sick of listening to 1st and 2nd year teachers complain. 32k a year to start out. every weekend off. week for thanksgiving off. two weeks at christmas off. a week in the spring. 3 months in the summer. oh...and theyre home every night. i get so sick of hearing them joke about "food stamps."
AMEN brother!! And don't forget about all the other federal holidays. Around where I live their benefit packages are outstanding, too. Most put in their 30 years and retire in their early to mid 50s with a pension that pays about 100% of what they were making ($50k +) when they got out. They get that until the day they die and it will never be lost in bankruptcy court. AT MOST, the district just starts reducing the benefit package offered to new hires.
Sorry to go off, but my old neighbors and pretty much everyone in my wife's family are teachers so I get tired of hearing the underpaid/overworked propaganda. My aunt was a teacher and used to b**** about it constantly and decided to hang it up so she join the ranks of the adequately paid office workers. Yeah.....that lasted about a year and a half and she ran back to teaching. Didn't hear too many complaints about it after that. I think that since so many of them have never done anything outside of education they forget how much time they really have off. They graduate from high school and college then immediately start working. They take for granted that not everyone has the entire summer and every holiday in the book off and goes home at 4pm everyday without even asking for it.
01-28-2009 | 03:32 PM
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