The airline pilot ego- killing off families?
09-18-2011, 06:33 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by Cubdriver
A fighter pilot did some of the worst flying I have ever seen, while a newbie from a third world country did some of the finest flying of all.
Now when I go to convert back to civilian flying....holy crap!Actually, the best pilot (both hands and professionalism) I know, is not even a pilot by profession. He is a business owner that learned to fly for business reasons. He treats flying like his business...he is extremely professional and takes it very seriously. It's crazy how smart he is on flying and how well he flies for as little as he actually flies. It's a mindset!
09-18-2011, 06:53 PM
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I agree with your post 100%. My best friend was killed two years ago, and his four kids are left behind. We miss him dearly. I wish he would have stuck to heavy iron flying only.
Originally Posted by Sir James
I've lost now three Part 121 airline pilot friends, all men, (who have 10 children) through general aviation accidents (Part 91 and air shows).
Yes, there are now countless fathers who are missing from their children's lives by desiring to fly in general aviation (including air shows) despite having a lucrative $100,000+ flying job.
This latest crash in Reno is yet again an example of how the pilot ego-- flying low and fast, awing people all around-- is needlessly killing countless friends in our aviation community.
Jut a few weeks ago, the very man that gave me my widebody Part 121 checkout was involved in a midair collision whereby he was fortunately spared his life.
I'm tired of losing friends, friends of friends, and acquaintances due to these Part 91 crashes brought upon by insatiable "love" for GA flying.
If you're an airline pilot, for crying out out spare your children and grandchildren the news of your premature death. All of my buddies who have died (except one) prematurely, have died in the airframes of Cessna 201's through P-51's.
I believe it is the invincible spirit of the 'all-knowing pilot' that's at the root of most of these deaths. How many ******* people are going to be killed before pilots finally say, "You know what? My family is worth more than the ego rush of entertaining 10,000 people at the Ft. Worth Alliance Airshow."
You're putting your family on the line to feed the entertainment of strangers? How much sense does that make? That's right-- it's purely an EGO feed.
I'm just one airline pilot, but I know a total of 5 airline pilots who have crashed not Part 121 airplanes, but Part 91 airplanes-- all of which were caused by PILOT ERROR (NTSB findings).
Pilots needs to ditch their second, Part 91 stints, and stay true to their professions by flying Part 121 only. Just as doctors have airplanes they fly known as "doctor killers," airline pilots are equally prone to making mistakes-- mistakes than sadly leave behind hundreds of grieving loved ones.
The airline pilot ego is killing off families, and it's high time it is stopped.
Yes, there are now countless fathers who are missing from their children's lives by desiring to fly in general aviation (including air shows) despite having a lucrative $100,000+ flying job.
This latest crash in Reno is yet again an example of how the pilot ego-- flying low and fast, awing people all around-- is needlessly killing countless friends in our aviation community.
Jut a few weeks ago, the very man that gave me my widebody Part 121 checkout was involved in a midair collision whereby he was fortunately spared his life.
I'm tired of losing friends, friends of friends, and acquaintances due to these Part 91 crashes brought upon by insatiable "love" for GA flying.
If you're an airline pilot, for crying out out spare your children and grandchildren the news of your premature death. All of my buddies who have died (except one) prematurely, have died in the airframes of Cessna 201's through P-51's.
I believe it is the invincible spirit of the 'all-knowing pilot' that's at the root of most of these deaths. How many ******* people are going to be killed before pilots finally say, "You know what? My family is worth more than the ego rush of entertaining 10,000 people at the Ft. Worth Alliance Airshow."
You're putting your family on the line to feed the entertainment of strangers? How much sense does that make? That's right-- it's purely an EGO feed.
I'm just one airline pilot, but I know a total of 5 airline pilots who have crashed not Part 121 airplanes, but Part 91 airplanes-- all of which were caused by PILOT ERROR (NTSB findings).
Pilots needs to ditch their second, Part 91 stints, and stay true to their professions by flying Part 121 only. Just as doctors have airplanes they fly known as "doctor killers," airline pilots are equally prone to making mistakes-- mistakes than sadly leave behind hundreds of grieving loved ones.
The airline pilot ego is killing off families, and it's high time it is stopped.
09-19-2011, 12:38 AM
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If I gave up the deadly things I enjoy for my wife, I would not be the same man she married. Okay, for her I'll ride with a helmet, but don't ask me to give up my motorcycle.
When we were hunters, aggression was an asset. Maybe not unbridled aggression, but facing deadly situations was a plus.
When we were hunters, aggression was an asset. Maybe not unbridled aggression, but facing deadly situations was a plus.
09-19-2011, 04:54 AM
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Originally Posted by jungle
I think we all want to live as long as possible and driving is likely the most dangerous thing we do on a regular basis. Except those kids that grow up to be BASE jumping junkies.
...:::filler:::...
09-19-2011, 07:52 AM
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Different
Flying a 747 or F-18 is very different from flying a Cessna 172. Airline pilots confidence in a jetliner should not transfer into GA. Small planes are much less forgiving and require a different mindset. I for one was very happy to leave small planes behind when I reached an airline.
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09-19-2011, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by SkyHigh
Flying a 747 or F-18 is very different from flying a Cessna 172. Airline pilots confidence in a jetliner should not transfer into GA. Small planes are much less forgiving and require a different mindset. I for one was very happy to leave small planes behind when I reached an airline.
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09-19-2011, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Sir James
Pilots needs to ditch their second, Part 91 stints, and stay true to their professions by flying Part 121 only.
I must humbly refuse your offer.
09-20-2011, 06:59 AM
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@2:10 into the clip
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Al Pacino; "You can get killed walking your doggie"
@2:10 into the clip
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09-20-2011, 08:09 AM
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Statistically there are 3 main reasons for GA Accidents:
1. Flying into weather/situations that the aircraft/pilot are not qualified to handle.
2. Stall/spin too low to recover.
3. Running out of fuel.
Do you do these things in your airliner? No? Don't do them in your Cessna and you will be just as safe, statistically.
1. Flying into weather/situations that the aircraft/pilot are not qualified to handle.
2. Stall/spin too low to recover.
3. Running out of fuel.
Do you do these things in your airliner? No? Don't do them in your Cessna and you will be just as safe, statistically.
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