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Old 10-01-2011 | 06:45 AM
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Originally Posted by LivinTheDream28
When are people going to understand that your hourly rate has much less to do with how much you make than you think. Your contract and work rules are the driving force. You can have a guy that makes $90/hour with great work rules that makes more than a guy making $100/hour with horrible work rules. Negotiations would go in pilots favor much more if they weren't so obsessed with the hourly rate. I just flew with a senior guy who makes $92/hour that made around $115k last year.....not because he makes over $100/hour but because we have pretty good work rules allowing him to be more productive by working less. Pay you can get back, work rules not so much.
That was so enlightening, thank you.
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Old 10-01-2011 | 07:12 AM
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I would bet dollars to donuts that he is including per diem in his figures (which is misleading). Plus, I don't care how "good" the work rules are, it's still a REGIONAL(see pay rates)!
But, I could see a sim instructor living at the school house making 100 k, but not a line pilot.
What do you mean, it`s still a "REGIONAL?" Obviously people want to move on to bigger and better things but i really cannot fault someone who has a great schedule, great pay, home everynight and cares more about their family then being attached to the "REGIONAL" stigma as you say. Just because they are flying around less people does not change the fact that the basic job description is the same as a mainline pilot, which is moving people from point "A" to point "B."
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Old 10-01-2011 | 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by clearprop
Screw the beer....I'm on to Jack Daniels. Dude, Kelly's Heroes rocks. Nice Avatar.
I'd like some single malt scotch next. Now that I think about it, I should've posted "Always with 'em negative waves! Instead of being negative, why can't you say what a beautiful day it is, (and that you're flying for a living)?" Oddball is my hero.
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Old 10-01-2011 | 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Killer51883
not bad. it was moose head for me this evening
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Moosehead is good stuff. I need to get me some of that.....
Is that like Moose Drool? I was intrigued when I saw it on tap the other night. Couldn't try it as I was driving my pregnant wife & 2 yr old.
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Old 10-01-2011 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Terantious
What do you mean, it`s still a "REGIONAL?" Obviously people want to move on to bigger and better things but i really cannot fault someone who has a great schedule, great pay, home everynight and cares more about their family then being attached to the "REGIONAL" stigma as you say. Just because they are flying around less people does not change the fact that the basic job description is the same as a mainline pilot, which is moving people from point "A" to point "B."
You deserve a beer for that, especially the bolded part.
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Old 10-01-2011 | 09:29 AM
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Originally Posted by Killer51883
then shut the hell up because you havent got a clue what its like to make crap money, be abused by scheduling, never see your family or friends, and watch the dream you struggled for crash and burn in your face.
I feel your pain..but I'm sure he went through the same hell to get to where he is now. There is a light at the end of the tunnel. As somebody mentioned, it all depends if you were hired at the beginning of a major boom (like now) or at the beginning of a major depression (like back in 2006/2007).

Looking at some of the lines here at Eagle, there are a number of them which are very posh. No overnights, some with only a few, less than 200 hours TAFB, etc... If you live in base and hold those lines...bingo. You have it made. Throw in a Captain's salary and things can be great.
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Old 10-01-2011 | 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by embraer
Looking at some of the lines here at Eagle, there are a number of them which are very posh. No overnights, some with only a few, less than 200 hours TAFB, etc... If you live in base and hold those lines...bingo. You have it made. Throw in a Captain's salary and things can be great.
All valid points, and the two carriers I've worked at, as well as talking to guys at AE specifically, it's not the "norm".

Meaning that at the regional level, the regional/contracted carrier is 100% at the whims of the mainline partners they feed for. The trickle down effects can swing from one side to the other from month to month. Last minute schedule changes, crappy pairing/line build, higher than normal average line value/line divisors, what have you. One month the bid pack can contain lines of flying that are sweet whether you're a commuter OR live in base. The next month, everything goes to crap with nothing but a few commutable 4 days and the resto a hodgepodge of non commutable/multi day garbage. When our biggest base had 500 lines of flying, the amount of good lines was plentiful. Now that it's shrank to less than 300 lines, eh, not so much.

Note, this issue is NOT unique to line bid companies, PBS can be just as crappy as we're finding out from our ASA brethren. Under even the best PBS software, if the pairings suck, all PBS does is award sucky pairings. Under line bid, if the pairings suck, all the scheduling guys can do is build the best lines they can from sucky pairings.

This is making me crave Guinness, lots and lots of Guinness.
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Old 10-01-2011 | 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Killer51883
then shut the hell up because you havent got a clue what its like to make crap money, be abused by scheduling, never see your family or friends, and watch the dream you struggled for crash and burn in your face.

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Old 10-01-2011 | 10:08 AM
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before anyone thinks im depressed and ready to leave this job thats not what i was getting at. I personally am enjoying republic. sure i would like more money but who doesnt. I was telling the other guy to shut up. there is a very big difference between quality of life from senior captain to reserve captain to senior FO and reserve FO. some times all it takes is a month difference in hire date at the same company and the expirence becomes totally opposite. no one should fault the guy for saying screw it and sitting down and having a drink.
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Old 10-01-2011 | 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Killer51883
then shut the hell up because you havent got a clue what its like to make crap money, be abused by scheduling, never see your family or friends, and watch the dream you struggled for crash and burn in your face.
Gee. When you're not crying on our private message board you're crying on a public one. Be a man for God's sake. Pay your dues graciously and be rewarded down the road or follow the O.P. out the door. You guys can send us all a postcard telling us all about how much better it is in the the rest of the U.S. economy.
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