Tool of the day
05-24-2012, 07:16 AM
#1483
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Joined APC: Jun 2008
Posts: 355
Originally Posted by throttleweenie
Is there a Statute of Limitations for how long ago? Because if not, I nominate myself again.
When I was a new captain about 5 years before the turn of the century, I was briefing the lead F/A (or attempted same) who was a SEA 34-Long bra size. I got about three words out, and she says, "Listen, sonny. I have three times the seniority of you and your little copilot over there combined, so let me tell you how this is going to go".
I said, "Yes, Ma'am, I'm listening".
Tool or not?
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When I was a new captain about 5 years before the turn of the century, I was briefing the lead F/A (or attempted same) who was a SEA 34-Long bra size. I got about three words out, and she says, "Listen, sonny. I have three times the seniority of you and your little copilot over there combined, so let me tell you how this is going to go".
I said, "Yes, Ma'am, I'm listening".
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05-24-2012, 08:06 AM
#1484
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Joined APC: Apr 2010
Posts: 453
Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive
You might want to read up on regulations (not company policies). No emergency revocation, but might get a letter in the mail...
Sec. 121.135
[Manual contents.]
(a) Each manual required by Sec. 121.133 must--
(1) Include instructions and information necessary to allow the personnel concerned to perform their duties and responsibilities with a high degree of safety;
(2) Be in a form that is easy to revise;
(3) Have the date of last revision on each page concerned; and
(4) Not be contrary to any applicable Federal regulation and, in the case of a flag or supplemental operation, any applicable foreign regulation, or the certificate holder's operations specifications or operating certificate.
[Manual contents.]
(a) Each manual required by Sec. 121.133 must--
(1) Include instructions and information necessary to allow the personnel concerned to perform their duties and responsibilities with a high degree of safety;
(2) Be in a form that is easy to revise;
(3) Have the date of last revision on each page concerned; and
(4) Not be contrary to any applicable Federal regulation and, in the case of a flag or supplemental operation, any applicable foreign regulation, or the certificate holder's operations specifications or operating certificate.
And a letter? What is he/she gonna write in that? Are they gonna threaten my job because I denied a JS to a fed who ran up at the last minute?
Don't get me wrong, if we have time and IF the FAA person is on company business then go ahead, but if he/she stomps down the jetway when we are all buttoned up with a JS in place and just about to push back, then no. Catch the next flight. Send me a letter or call my CP.
05-24-2012, 08:23 AM
#1485
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Posts: 116
Originally Posted by Wingtips
This is an industry disease. I love when its an RJ guy, like CHQ on a CHQ flight in lets say AA paint, they are on a positive space ticket with a seat in the back, and an AA pilot wants the JS on their full flight, and the positive space CHQ guy takes the jumpseat and bumps the AA guy to get another pax in the back. All the while saying they are doing it to help their company.
Here's one from last year:
We're doing a Frontier flight from PIT-MKE with a full deadheading crew of 3 plus 48 passengers (do the math). The gate handling was just switched over to Delta in PIT, and they have no idea how to use our computer system. The genius deadheading Captain thinks it's a great idea to offer to sit in the jumpseat so they can get all 48 passengers on. We're stuck flying with this guy in the hot seat for the entire flight...lovely.
That's not the best part. He happens to be a Check Airman with the company. Coming through 22,000ft, he says "Now guys I know this isn't a line check, but go ahead and pull out your POHs. There's a couple things I'd like to point out." So we get lectured all the way back to MKE by this guy. Now I know he meant well, but for christ sake put your FO in the jumpseat!
05-24-2012, 08:36 AM
#1486
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 820
Originally Posted by Crism
Awww you HAD to bring CHQ into this. AA is one of the companies there should be 0 favors for.
Here's one from last year:
We're doing a Frontier flight from PIT-MKE with a full deadheading crew of 3 plus 48 passengers (do the math). The gate handling was just switched over to Delta in PIT, and they have no idea how to use our computer system. The genius deadheading Captain thinks it's a great idea to offer to sit in the jumpseat so they can get all 48 passengers on. We're stuck flying with this guy in the hot seat for the entire flight...lovely.
That's not the best part. He happens to be a Check Airman with the company. Coming through 22,000ft, he says "Now guys I know this isn't a line check, but go ahead and pull out your POHs. There's a couple things I'd like to point out." So we get lectured all the way back to MKE by this guy. Now I know he meant well, but for christ sake put your FO in the jumpseat!
Here's one from last year:
We're doing a Frontier flight from PIT-MKE with a full deadheading crew of 3 plus 48 passengers (do the math). The gate handling was just switched over to Delta in PIT, and they have no idea how to use our computer system. The genius deadheading Captain thinks it's a great idea to offer to sit in the jumpseat so they can get all 48 passengers on. We're stuck flying with this guy in the hot seat for the entire flight...lovely.
That's not the best part. He happens to be a Check Airman with the company. Coming through 22,000ft, he says "Now guys I know this isn't a line check, but go ahead and pull out your POHs. There's a couple things I'd like to point out." So we get lectured all the way back to MKE by this guy. Now I know he meant well, but for christ sake put your FO in the jumpseat!
05-24-2012, 09:13 AM
#1487
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Posts: 215
Originally Posted by throttleweenie
The rampers who ride their kids' college fund/401(k)/Decked-out Harleys to work. actually, I feel sorry for their families.
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05-24-2012, 05:51 PM
#1488
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Posts: 34
The things you guys are saying about jumpseating is blowing my mind.
Here in Canada we consider the ability to "jumpseat" a complete privilege. There is no such thing as walking up to the gate and asking to "use the jumpseat." You call ahead of time, pay the applicable taxes (yes, our jumpseats aren't free here), and IF there is a seat available on the plane in the back-you cannot sit in the jumpseat-you may sit there. If for ANY reason the gate agent cannot or even does not want to put you on the plane they have every right to refuse it and you are not allowed to complain or say anything.
It seems like the culture down south is very different. If anyone ever said a word about being bumped, no matter how unfair it is, you can be sure his bosses would hear about it.
Here in Canada we consider the ability to "jumpseat" a complete privilege. There is no such thing as walking up to the gate and asking to "use the jumpseat." You call ahead of time, pay the applicable taxes (yes, our jumpseats aren't free here), and IF there is a seat available on the plane in the back-you cannot sit in the jumpseat-you may sit there. If for ANY reason the gate agent cannot or even does not want to put you on the plane they have every right to refuse it and you are not allowed to complain or say anything.
It seems like the culture down south is very different. If anyone ever said a word about being bumped, no matter how unfair it is, you can be sure his bosses would hear about it.
05-24-2012, 06:04 PM
#1489
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Posts: 820
Originally Posted by Les Habitants
The things you guys are saying about jumpseating is blowing my mind.
Here in Canada we consider the ability to "jumpseat" a complete privilege. There is no such thing as walking up to the gate and asking to "use the jumpseat." You call ahead of time, pay the applicable taxes (yes, our jumpseats aren't free here), and IF there is a seat available on the plane in the back-you cannot sit in the jumpseat-you may sit there. If for ANY reason the gate agent cannot or even does not want to put you on the plane they have every right to refuse it and you are not allowed to complain or say anything.
It seems like the culture down south is very different. If anyone ever said a word about being bumped, no matter how unfair it is, you can be sure his bosses would hear about it.
Here in Canada we consider the ability to "jumpseat" a complete privilege. There is no such thing as walking up to the gate and asking to "use the jumpseat." You call ahead of time, pay the applicable taxes (yes, our jumpseats aren't free here), and IF there is a seat available on the plane in the back-you cannot sit in the jumpseat-you may sit there. If for ANY reason the gate agent cannot or even does not want to put you on the plane they have every right to refuse it and you are not allowed to complain or say anything.
It seems like the culture down south is very different. If anyone ever said a word about being bumped, no matter how unfair it is, you can be sure his bosses would hear about it.
In Canada is seems you guys also get treated much better than down here.
05-24-2012, 06:31 PM
#1490
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Posts: 34
Originally Posted by Wingtips
It is somewhat the same here, except its ultimately the Captains jumpseat. MY argument was that most pilot contracts when deadheading require a seat in the back, and if the flight is full they bump someone (if your needed to get a flight out and thats why they are deadheading you). No one should volunteer for the jumpseat and bump someone who is trying to get to/from work, the company makes taking from the pilots a game, and pushes to see how far they can push. I see no reason to help them out and bump someone else, they should learn not to oversell that far.
In Canada is seems you guys also get treated much better than down here.
In Canada is seems you guys also get treated much better than down here.
I wouldn't necessarily say that, Lol. The only bright shining star in Canada is WestJet, where things seem to be going downhill. AC is a worse mess then Delta, AA, and United put together.
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