Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1861461)

WN foregoes any pilot from doing the walkaround during any turn except for first flight of the day for the crew. That is the rub.

Originally Posted by Doug Masters (Post 1861101)

Most captains still usually split walk arounds. Unless its raining or snowing.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by ExAF (Post 1861566)

or windy, or cloudy, or hot, or cold, or sunny, or Monday, or Tuesday, or Wednesday, or Thursday, or Friday, or Saturday, or Sunday.;):D Truthfully, I have no problem with that. They did their walk arounds when they were FOs or SOs.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1861412)

Notice how no other company has followed WN's model for rampers doing walkarounds. If you're the only one doing it, there's a reason why.

I am friends with a WN ramper... I get texts fairly frequently with a picture of what he saw on the walkaround not understanding what he's looking at and if it's a problem (yes he does bring it to the crew's attention- usually they blow him off).

Letting non-pilots or mechanics inspect something that they don't really know how to inspect? Awful idea.

Sure, some guys just go through the motions, but the majority understand that they have skin in the game.

Originally Posted by Stratosphere (Post 1861846)

Gee 80 and just when you do find a problem on a walk around who are you going to call to look at it if mechanics don't know what they are doing? Avon lady maybe :rolleyes: That is "Toolish" statement if I have ever heard one.

Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1861881)

I think 80 may have meant that only Pilots or mechanics should be doing walkarounds, and not ramp personnel or station managers.

Originally Posted by kfahmi (Post 1861940)

I was jumpseating on a DL 757 a few weeks back and as we were boarding, a passenger stops just inside the entry door, rolls his eyes and says in as loud a voice as he can muster, "God I hate these little tiny airplanes, why can't Delta give us a real god**** airplane."

Seriously?

A 757?

What is wrong with you, sir?

On a separate note, yesterday while working a trip from YVR to LAX in a CRJ-700, a lady got on board and would not stop complaining to the FA during boarding (I could hear all this since the cockpit door was open) that "this airplane is just a puddlejumper. Just a puddlejumper! I paid so much money for my ticket, I want a real airplane" et cetera.

I could not help myself. On the descent into LAX I made the following PA, which sent my captain into fits of laughter:

"Ladies and gentlemen, we've started our descent into LA. It's a nice sunny day, with a temperature of 68 degrees Fahrenheit. We'll be on the ground in 20 minutes. Oh, and as we boarded our flight today, we overheard someone calling this aircraft a puddlejumper. However, this puddlejumper got us to our destination a full 35 minutes early, which we think is pretty nifty. Once again, thanks for flying with us and we'll see you on the ground."

The nice part was that as everyone deplaned I caught the lady's eye and she actually smiled, a bit sheepishly.

Originally Posted by kfahmi (Post 1861940)

I could not help myself. On the descent into LAX I made the following PA, which sent my captain into fits of laughter:

"Ladies and gentlemen, we've started our descent into LA. It's a nice sunny day, with a temperature of 68 degrees Fahrenheit. We'll be on the ground in 20 minutes. Oh, and as we boarded our flight today, we overheard someone calling this aircraft a puddlejumper. However, this puddlejumper got us to our destination a full 35 minutes early, which we think is pretty nifty. Once again, thanks for flying with us and we'll see you on the ground."

The nice part was that as everyone deplaned I caught the lady's eye and she actually smiled, a bit sheepishly.

Originally Posted by Purple Drank (Post 1861976)

you really showed her.

I hope RA is reading this.

Originally Posted by Milk Man (Post 1863311)

The pilot who every 20 min says "Are we there yet?"

Originally Posted by cornbeef007 (Post 1862374)

You don't think that his PA is anything corollary to mainline guys dictating their entire military career during their welcome aboard announcement?

Originally Posted by cactusmike (Post 1863569)

Funny thing is the people that would complain about being in a small RJ would sh** themselves trying to get a ride in a Gulfstream or even a Citation.

Originally Posted by kfahmi (Post 1861940)

I could not help myself. On the descent into LAX I made the following PA, which sent my captain into fits of laughter:

"Ladies and gentlemen, we've started our descent into LA. It's a nice sunny day, with a temperature of 68 degrees Fahrenheit. We'll be on the ground in 20 minutes. Oh, and as we boarded our flight today, we overheard someone calling this aircraft a puddlejumper. However, this puddlejumper got us to our destination a full 35 minutes early, which we think is pretty nifty. Once again, thanks for flying with us and we'll see you on the ground."

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 1863636)

Fellow proceeds to get butthurt.

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 1863636)

The FO who insisted that we needed to turn on engine anti-ice AFTER landing while taxiing to the gate in wintery conditions. I humored him and said that "I don't think it's required but it probably won't hurt anything so go nuts if it makes you happy." He continued to insist during the taxi in that on "every jet at every other company, that's what we do!" After we park, I suggest that I had NEVER heard that and that at THIS company on THIS jet, that we do NOT do that and that if the company wanted us to do so, ice protection would be on the after landing and parking checklists. Fellow proceeds to get butthurt.

Originally Posted by cornbeef007 (Post 1862374)

You don't think that his PA is anything corollary to mainline guys dictating their entire military career during their welcome aboard announcement?

Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1863674)

I've only flown at 2 airlines and they both would describe this as taxiing in icing conditions / contaminated conditions and it would require engine anti-ice on --- regardless of going out for takeoff or coming into the gate. What airline do you work for that doesn't require eng a-ice to be on?

Originally Posted by Firsttimeflyer (Post 1863687)

I usually don't like to add to this thread....but to the RJ (either Mesa or TSA at this airport) captain who is walking through the terminal with your shirt half untucked hanging out in the back and BOTH of your pant legs tucked 3/4 of the way into your socks....please, for the love of god try to look a little bit professional while in the eye of the public.

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 1863636)

The FO who insisted that we needed to turn on engine anti-ice AFTER landing while taxiing to the gate in wintery conditions. I humored him and said that "I don't think it's required but it probably won't hurt anything so go nuts if it makes you happy." He continued to insist during the taxi in that on "every jet at every other company, that's what we do!" After we park, I suggest that I had NEVER heard that and that at THIS company on THIS jet, that we do NOT do that and that if the company wanted us to do so, ice protection would be on the after landing and parking checklists. Fellow proceeds to get butthurt.

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 1863636)

The FO who insisted that we needed to turn on engine anti-ice AFTER landing while taxiing to the gate in wintery conditions. I humored him and said that "I don't think it's required but it probably won't hurt anything so go nuts if it makes you happy." He continued to insist during the taxi in that on "every jet at every other company, that's what we do!" After we park, I suggest that I had NEVER heard that and that at THIS company on THIS jet, that we do NOT do that and that if the company wanted us to do so, ice protection would be on the after landing and parking checklists. Fellow proceeds to get butthurt.

Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 1863695)

1. Read your damn manuals.
2. Quit being such an ass.
3. You're wrong. From your post history, you're an xjt CA. Procedures are to turn eng ai on in ground icing conditions.
4. It's scary you're headed to Delta with that attitude.

Originally Posted by DENpilot (Post 1863695)

1. Read your damn manuals.
2. Quit being such an ass.
3. You're wrong. From your post history, you're an xjt CA. Procedures are to turn eng ai on in ground icing conditions.
4. It's scary you're headed to Delta with that attitude.

Originally Posted by Short Bus Drive (Post 1863696)

Interesting...
What does your operations manual/ flight manual say about this?

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 1863748)

1. I thought I had. Many times. Turns out I read them but didn't 'read' them. More on that later...
2. Pretty bold statement from someone I've never met. Very brave of you. :rolleyes:
3. I would have agreed with you 100% when taxiing OUT in ground icing conditions. I didn't see it referenced on taxi in, the After Landing or the Parking checklist.
4. I agree, luckiest guy in the world RIGHT HERE! And guess what, I've got a metric boatload to learn, even after all these years! Just GD excited for the opportunity!



Good question Short Bus Drive. From the vitriolic responses here, it would seem that I am the one who is off the reservation on this one so I did some more in-depth investigation. It would seem that most of our "operations in icing conditions" sections are geared towards taxi-out and departure, which makes sense since an engine flame-out at 100 feet in a snow storm is a vastly different animal than a flame-out at the top of the J-line. Lo and behold, separated by nearly a full page and buried in references to takeoff and departure, are these two sentences:
- "Whenever the temperature on the ground is at or below 10C and visible moisture is present, it must be assumed that icing conditions exist."
- "Set the ice detection override knob to ENG any time ground icing conditions are present."

Further on there is one sentence in the After Landing section that DOES say, in part, "For taxi-in follow the same recommendations as for taxi-out." So, it would seem that I am the only one that did not connect these dots. I've been flying this plane for 9 years now, two thirds of that as an FO and it has never come up in the context of taxiing in. Kind of wishing some crusty captain years ago would have slapped young FreezingFlyBoy during his first winter flying the line and said "Son, what the hell you doing!? Trying to FOD the engine? Get that dang ice protection on!" We could have avoided this whole unpleasantness. I stand corrected and ten thousand apologies for any panties that may have gotten wadded. I humbly accept the interweb's nomination as TOTD.

Originally Posted by kfahmi (Post 1861940)

I was jumpseating on a DL 757 a few weeks back and as we were boarding, a passenger stops just inside the entry door, rolls his eyes and says in as loud a voice as he can muster, "God I hate these little tiny airplanes, why can't Delta give us a real god**** airplane."

Seriously?

A 757?

What is wrong with you, sir?

On a separate note, yesterday while working a trip from YVR to LAX in a CRJ-700, a lady got on board and would not stop complaining to the FA during boarding (I could hear all this since the cockpit door was open) that "this airplane is just a puddlejumper. Just a puddlejumper! I paid so much money for my ticket, I want a real airplane" et cetera.

I could not help myself. On the descent into LAX I made the following PA, which sent my captain into fits of laughter:

"Ladies and gentlemen, we've started our descent into LA. It's a nice sunny day, with a temperature of 68 degrees Fahrenheit. We'll be on the ground in 20 minutes. Oh, and as we boarded our flight today, we overheard someone calling this aircraft a puddlejumper. However, this puddlejumper got us to our destination a full 35 minutes early, which we think is pretty nifty. Once again, thanks for flying with us and we'll see you on the ground."

The nice part was that as everyone deplaned I caught the lady's eye and she actually smiled, a bit sheepishly.

Originally Posted by cardiomd (Post 1863806)

Seriously boys if any of these stories are true there needs to be some major ego-checking here.

I have patients tell me before surgery, "remember to wash your hands" or "how much did you sleep last night?" or referencing the latest event in the news involving some bad doctor.

So do I get annoyed and tell them to shut up? No. I usually smile and joke back "oh wow, I nearly forgot" or "whoa, yeah, I should have done that, hope that last guy is ok" or if they are truly nervous just reassure them. It is just a joke. People are nervous an say stupid stuff. Part of professionalism is not being a tool or being mean to your clients / paying passengers. I realize that most of the posts here are just hangar-talk and tall tales but for ****'s sake don't do it in real life or over the PA.

I've flown with guys like freezingflyboy, one CFI of mine was like that and he was promptly fired. He'd make a big deal out of something that was somewhat inconsequential, had a knowledge base like swiss cheese, and liked to argue when he was wrong.

Apologies for the lecture, I guess I'm the TOTD. I've become cranky in my old age.

Originally Posted by freezingflyboy (Post 1863811)

Too late Cardio. I believe I've already won today's honor (with another nomination from you no less!:D). Better luck tomorrow!

Originally Posted by Fegelein (Post 1863832)

Did your F/O file an ASAP report for himself trying to follow the proper company procedure and having YOU override him and order him to turn off the EAI? You, of course wouldn't be covered as ASAP doesn't cover willfully disregarding proper procedures, which you admit you did. These posts of your should be forwarded to Delta HR for a proper review of your fitness for consideration. I know some Delta pilots who take their reputation very seriously and would think poorly of the attitude you would bring and they might make "inquiries".

Originally Posted by Fegelein (Post 1863832)

Did your F/O file an ASAP report for himself trying to follow the proper company procedure and having YOU override him and order him to turn off the EAI? You, of course wouldn't be covered as ASAP doesn't cover willfully disregarding proper procedures, which you admit you did. These posts of your should be forwarded to Delta HR for a proper review of your fitness for consideration. I know some Delta pilots who take their reputation very seriously and would think poorly of the attitude you would bring and they might make "inquiries".