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80ktsClamp 07-27-2012 11:20 PM


Originally Posted by DeadHead (Post 1236598)
I was just using that to illustrate an example. I've never encountered that "the old old eye roll" for the way I say the numbers 3-5-9, but I have seen it with other things such as when to flip on the beacon.
I've gotten barked at for turning it on early, then looked at crazily for not turning it on early enough, so know I just try to gauge the other guy and guesstimate it.

Lately I've been just flat out asking what they like me to do with the beacon. On rare occasion, I'll fly with a guy who won't block out until every door is shut and each ground personnel is in position even if it's one minute late. Personally, I think that's particularly toolish, unless the ground personnel is being particularly unprepared, lazy, and obnoxious that day. If however it all "business as usual" and they are doing everything they can to turn the aircraft on time, then I think the captain is just being a tool.

I forgot how nice it is to fly on a fleet where the out time is triggered off the brake rather than the beacon (hopefully soon all DL fleets will be like this).

The real tool is the one that set the out time to the beacon which is one of the stupidest possible out triggers.

bigscrillywilli 07-28-2012 05:24 AM

How about guys asking controllers "any chance going direct" in a whiny voice? What ever happened to "request direct"?

MaxPowers 07-28-2012 06:47 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1236600)
I forgot how nice it is to fly on a fleet where the out time is triggered off the brake rather than the beacon (hopefully soon all DL fleets will be like this).
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Even better is to be paid at "L1 Door closed". . . . . Sometimes, it pays to be a Tranny. :D

BTpilot 07-28-2012 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by bigscrillywilli
How about guys asking controllers "any chance going direct" in a whiny voice? What ever happened to "request direct"?

EXACTLY. I feel like I get a lot more things to happen by simple saying "Xxx request direct OJAYY".. Short and simple.

Doug Masters 07-28-2012 07:14 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 1236095)
I've never worn long sleeves because I don't like them, but what's the rage against them? We drop lile flies from melanoma compared to the general population yet anyone daring to wear sleeves is taken to task for it for no real reason. What gives?

I don't have an issue with long sleeves personally but it does seem that a higher percentage of guys who wear them are tools.

LNL76 07-28-2012 07:53 AM

I can't believe some of you judge someone on whether they wear long-sleeve shirts. Holy crap---and they say WOMEN are petty!

(I think some of you are forgetting some guys HAVE to wear them to cover up tattoos.)

ShyGuy 07-28-2012 07:58 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1236600)
I forgot how nice it is to fly on a fleet where the out time is triggered off the brake rather than the beacon (hopefully soon all DL fleets will be like this).

The real tool is the one that set the out time to the beacon which is one of the stupidest possible out triggers.

No, try an out time with doors closed and wheel movement (pushback)! Closed up 10 prior, ready for pushback, but alley jammed? Yeah, you'll be out late.

Sluggo_63 07-28-2012 07:59 AM


Originally Posted by LNL76 (Post 1234782)
....and why oh why do they have to stand 2 or 3 abreast making it impossible for anyone to pass them. Pleaaaaasssssse, stand to the right in single file so those of us with a plan can get by.


Originally Posted by mooney (Post 1235214)
he he yes I do it all the time on purpose! it's amazing how often you lose your balance even KNOWING it's not moving and telling yourself just to walk normally! :o

Brian Regan on Flying - YouTube

The whole thing is funny, but you can just fast-forward to 6:25.

Doug Masters 07-28-2012 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by LNL76 (Post 1236682)
I can't believe some of you judge someone on whether they wear long-sleeve shirts. Holy crap---and they say WOMEN are petty!

I have to judge...I'm Baptist :D I keed I keed!

Badger83 07-28-2012 12:16 PM

ICEMAN1 plates on the truck, JET-A ONLY sticker on the fuel door. Tool.

block30 07-28-2012 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by Badger83 (Post 1236772)
ICEMAN1 plates on the truck, JET-A ONLY sticker on the fuel door. Tool.

Did you oblige and put in some Jet A? :cool:

SurferLucas 07-28-2012 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1236689)
No, try an out time with doors closed and wheel movement (pushback)! Closed up 10 prior, ready for pushback, but alley jammed? Yeah, you'll be out late.

Try an airline that uses the EFB's GPS to determine a 50ft movement before 'OUT" time is triggered. Stations where you still spin out of the gate and de-ice at the gate...try very late and not getting paid.

:mad:

CVG767A 07-28-2012 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by SurferLucas (Post 1236867)
Try an airline that uses the EFB's GPS to determine a 50ft movement before 'OUT" time is triggered. Stations where you still spin out of the gate and de-ice at the gate...try very late and not getting paid.

:mad:

I wonder what the FAA would think about that method. It sounds like a systematic way to underreport block time. Maybe a phone call is in order...

lakehouse 07-28-2012 07:58 PM


Originally Posted by CVG767A (Post 1236872)
I wonder what the FAA would think about that method. It sounds like a systematic way to underreport block time. Maybe a phone call is in order...

wouldnt their on time performance be god awful?

flyandive 07-28-2012 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by rickt86 (Post 1236889)
wouldnt their on time performance be god awful?

at 70.4%? Better than United at 37.9%.

These figures are D:0 for July 1-27th.

By the way I'm pretty sure he is referring to Horizon unless there is some other airline using EFBs for ACARS times with 50' of movement.

Senior Skipper 07-28-2012 09:22 PM


Originally Posted by bigscrillywilli (Post 1236640)
How about guys asking controllers "any chance going direct" in a whiny voice? What ever happened to "request direct"?

Some people just like to hear their own voice:

"Center, Big Airline 123, request"

"Big Airline 123, go ahead"

"Big Airline 123 request FL360"


Two completely unnecessary transmissions.

Senior Skipper 07-28-2012 09:28 PM

TTOD:

CA today who had me ask every single controller for a ride report. I don't get it. If it's smooth, shut up and enjoy it. If it's bumpy, listen out on the frequency, because the controller invariably ends up giving the same information to everybody on frequency.

Sometimes (radio) silence is golden.

DeadHead 07-28-2012 11:06 PM


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 1236899)
Some people just like to hear their own voice:

"Center, Big Airline 123, request"

"Big Airline 123, go ahead"

"Big Airline 123 request FL360"


Two completely unnecessary transmissions.

I've done that as a courtesy when the controller is busy, but not when it's quite. Figure the controller would respond to a low priority pilot request/question when his/her workload permits.

Doing it on ever radio request is somewhat cumbersome and toolish though.

Timbo 07-29-2012 04:44 AM

Some people just like to hear their own voice:

"Center, Big Airline 123, request"

"Big Airline 123, go ahead"

"Big Airline 123 request FL360"


Two completely unnecessary transmissions.


Yeah, just leave your call sign off...no biggie.

Just say, "360" and see how that works for ya'. :rolleyes:

N9373M 07-29-2012 05:06 AM

Writers of "Destroyed in Seconds"
 
(Well, all reporters who purport to be aviation experts.)

First boo boo was calling two planes "aircrafts".

Second was in describing a Russian jump jet as a break thru in avionics since they were trying to be the first supersonic VTOL aircraft.

TheFly 07-29-2012 05:45 AM

Toll of the year goes to all the reporters who keep publishing these "Pilot Shortage" articles. Really toolish.

TheFly 07-29-2012 05:46 AM

Put 'em all in the same Tool Box.

oasis04 07-29-2012 06:39 AM

Couple days ago center asks a couple different crews to please monitor for an ELT.
Couple moments go by and one of them comes on and asks for the freq for the elt.

PermaFo 07-29-2012 07:13 AM


Couple days ago center asks a couple different crews to please monitor for an ELT.
Couple moments go by and one of them comes on and asks for the freq for the elt.
Now this is funny.

PBSG 07-29-2012 07:55 AM

Crews who answer their phone and complain about being reassigned or getting their day rolled, and they want you to feel bad for them! Honestly, HOW long have you been working here? Do you even look at the caller ID? This is something you should have learned in the very beginning: Don't answer your phone!

ShyGuy 07-29-2012 08:11 AM


Originally Posted by SurferLucas (Post 1236867)
Try an airline that uses the EFB's GPS to determine a 50ft movement before 'OUT" time is triggered. Stations where you still spin out of the gate and de-ice at the gate...try very late and not getting paid.

:mad:

Are you serious?! Where is this?

LNL76 07-29-2012 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by PBSG (Post 1236981)
Crews who answer their phone and complain about being reassigned or getting their day rolled, and they want you to feel bad for them! Honestly, HOW long have you been working here? Do you even look at the caller ID? This is something you should have learned in the very beginning: Don't answer your phone!


....EVER....

Even if I'm on RSV, calls ALWAYS go to voice mail. ;)

Senior Skipper 07-29-2012 10:15 AM


Originally Posted by LNL76 (Post 1237013)
....EVER....

Even if I'm on RSV, calls ALWAYS go to voice mail. ;)

I don't get the problem. If they call me on my day off, I just say "no". Next time I see the CP, I explain it was on my day off, and all is well.

Boomer 07-29-2012 10:17 AM


Originally Posted by SurferLucas (Post 1236867)
Try an airline that uses the EFB's GPS to determine a 50ft movement before 'OUT" time is triggered. Stations where you still spin out of the gate and de-ice at the gate...try very late and not getting paid.

:mad:

Is this EFB mounted to the aircraft? The aircraft cabin is probably 50' long. The CRJ, EMB, and Q-400 are, anyways.

Take the EFB for a little stroll.

Crism 07-29-2012 10:34 AM


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1237026)
Is this EFB mounted to the aircraft? The aircraft cabin is probably 50' long. The CRJ, EMB, and Q-400 are, anyways.

Take the EFB for a little stroll.

"Hey don't forget the money maker on your walk-around!"

PermaFo 07-29-2012 11:48 AM



Originally Posted by LNL76 (Post 1237013)
....EVER....

Even if I'm on RSV, calls ALWAYS go to voice mail. ;)

I don't get the problem. If they call me on my day off, I just say "no". Next time I see the CP, I explain it was on my day off, and all is well.
Bro- some of us get in trouble for answering the phone but not being "available"... No joke!

TOTD: CA who "doses off" through the climb and the cruise but snickers quiet laughs when the FO expresses concern that they're off course when cleared direct to the airport. CA: "Yeah but we're only like, a mile, off (course)..." Apparently in all his hard work, same CA couldn't wait anymore at the hotel to hold the elevator for "his" crew...

TOTD round 2: Trumping all of the crew's vocally expressed discontent, a CA who decides to board the 92 degree airplane, inop APU, no PCAir, in the stale humidity of an afternoon deep south heat wave. But once half of the passengers are boarded, he calls dispatch (rudely to put it lightly) to complain about the heat inside and announces intent to deplane. Never deplaned and left early, even though the temp hit 96 degrees.

eek

Senior Skipper 07-29-2012 04:51 PM


Originally Posted by PermaFo (Post 1237043)
Bro- some of us get in trouble for answering the phone but not being "available"... No joke!

That's really unfortunate. What's the point of a day off if the company can still require you to work? I hope you guys get that corrected.

DCA A321 FO 07-29-2012 06:49 PM

The captain who sleeps PHL - SFO, with a 1800 departure, then sleeps on the red eye back, 0100 EST departure, wakes up in the descent, and complains that I am doing 340 kts. I eventually said suck my dick, and we had a jumpseater.

Herkflyr 07-29-2012 07:00 PM


Originally Posted by Senior Skipper (Post 1237025)
I don't get the problem. If they call me on my day off, I just say "no". Next time I see the CP, I explain it was on my day off, and all is well.

What airline? At DAL if scheduling is desperate for bodies and calls you on your day off...AND you are legal to fly the trip they "tagged" you for, then you really can't turn down the trip. That is an Inverse Assignment, and the company has a right to do it.

Of course there are a few considerations.

1. IAs pay double time.

2. IAs can only be pursued by the company after exhausting quite a few other, less onerous steps of trip coverage.

3. IAs are rare, if not nonexistent, for many categories for months and even years on end. However, they are NOT unheard of.

4. Most importantly, the company can't IA you if you don't answer your phone!! Ringmaster has been around for at least the 15+ years I have been on Delta property, and the ONLY entity that has my separate ringmaster number is crew scheduling. I never answer the ringmaster ring without first checking Caller ID (i.e. either Crew Scheduling, or some telemarketer). There simply is NO reason anyone can complain about being IA'd via a phone call. (I have heard of extreme situations where gate agents will meet a pilot in the jetway after he has finished a trip with his IA for the next day--that truly is a hose job, but again, extremely rare).

80ktsClamp 07-29-2012 07:06 PM

At DL you're on the hook for some things if you answer the phone unless you have a valid excuse such as alcohol (run to the fridge while answering the phone), no child care or a couple others...

lolwut 07-29-2012 07:12 PM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1237187)
At DL you're on the hook for some things if you answer the phone unless you have a valid excuse such as alcohol (run to the fridge while answering the phone), no child care or a couple others...

http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instanc...x/24143915.jpg

SurferLucas 07-29-2012 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by ShyGuy (Post 1236988)
Are you serious?! Where is this?

Airline in the PacNW, should be easy to figure out from there :)


Originally Posted by Boomer (Post 1237026)
Is this EFB mounted to the aircraft? The aircraft cabin is probably 50' long. The CRJ, EMB, and Q-400 are, anyways.

Take the EFB for a little stroll.

If it were only that easy...it's powered from the aircraft, so it has to stay in the cockpit in order work :(

cactusmike 07-29-2012 11:22 PM

Tool - the Hummer H3 with 737 ACE on the license plate.

It's tool on so many levels.

9kBud 07-30-2012 01:17 AM


Originally Posted by lolwut (Post 1237194)

Nicely done!

Justdoinmyjob 07-30-2012 06:44 AM

The FO who was just on a company computer in the crew room who was wearing his sunglasses. It's not really that bright in here.


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