Every new-hire group should have a special class where they teach how do deal with d-bag Captains, because the intimidation factor for new guys is through the roof. They tend to meekly submit to abuse because they don't know that standing up for one's self in certain situations is acceptable.

There are obvious differences between PIC decisions (CA is right unless safety of flight is involved) and just plain abuse.

When I was probation, we were once taking vectors to final. CA is hand flying. ATC says "Turn left heading 260." The CA reaches up and spins the heading bug (which is not procedure, BTW) and misses 260 by about 8 degrees. I reach up to set 260, and the dude smacks my hand, says "don't touch that!". There was no weather, he wasn't dodging a cumulus. I sat there and took it like a sheep. :rolleyes:

They sweat a while, but some of them take it real well, for a while. They take on the role of the subservient FO, which is just winding the douche-bag Captain spring inside. Beware of the FO that's sweating profusely with a weird nasty grin isntead of a smile.

I think doucheness is a personality trait, and so deeply engrained that a brief sentence as a FO won't cure the itch, just make them more agressive. Just look at some of the super-senior guys you might fly with. The real young guys that were quick upgrades can be either apreciative of their good fortune, or total entitled pricks that feel no pain but their own. Either way, their fast advancement becomes a personality mutliplier.

This is where the length of the mainline FO position becomes critical. You can only fight your own nature so long. I assume this is why we at Delta like to not upgrade right now. By the time you finally get there, you're a super nice guy (or you just snapped, or you dropped from a coronary event in your tenth year). At upgrade, I assume you're so worn out you don't even have the energy to be an [deleted] anymore.

Throw in a little furlough for character development... Say, I must be one hell of a nice guy!:)

It's too bad we lost the Flight Engineer seat, it was a great place to watch and learn, low threat, and you had the F/O there to act as a buffer, to the Dbag Capts.

If the guy was a real tool, you could conspire with the F/O to punk him at some point in the trip, and you could always blame the sudden fart odors on the other guy.

But with only two pilots, you both know who did it, immediately!

No you don't.

Wasn't me.

It was the trunk monkey.

Speaking of which, long time ago I'm in the right seat of a 757, going BOS-FLL or such. About half way there one of the F/A's asks to come up front for a short break. "Sure, come on up."

So she's up there for about 5 minutes, we are pointing out the coastline, other airplanes, the magenta line, etc. and she leaves. About 30 seconds later...it's starts to stink, and I don't mean just a little, but a huge stink! Something your 12yr. old son would be proud of in a "Pull my finger" prank.

I look at the Capt. and say, "Jeesus, what did you EAT last night??!"

And he looks at me and says, "I thought it was YOU!"

Then the light bulb came on....we had been "Crop Dusted" by the F/A!!

They are soooo sneaky! The funniest part was, she was a teeny, tiny girl, could not have weighed a hundred pounds. We never expected such a big stink could come out of that little girl, but there it was!

And it wasn't MINE! I Swear!

Protein Shakes and Fiber Bars

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Oh, silly boy----everyone knows girls don't fart! :)

Gatta watch out for those barking spiders.

True, and those usually end up being the worst to fly with, quickly ending up on FO's no-fly list.