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DickBurns 08-15-2016 07:02 PM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 2181170)
This being a pilot forum, I just knew someone would do the math and point out that it didn't sum to 100% 😉 And it only took 2 posts!

Glad to help.

baseball 08-15-2016 07:39 PM


Originally Posted by Mandrake (Post 2180956)
When a pilot pops his head in and says "hey guys I'm bob with xyz, they gave me a seat in back, here's my ID and the captain copy slip" are you guys really saying "Whoah Whoah Whoah ice man let me see your medical and atp"? For the record I always have it ready to go but in my experience this has been like 1/100.

1. It's required by every 121 operator that I know of.

2. It's a professional courtesy to have it handy.

3. The CA is supposed to be mentoring his/her FO. Great opportunity for the CA to show some class and handle this introduction and interaction the right way.

The CA may only look at it for a second. But that checks the box. Security is still a big deal, so expect some Captains to ask a few questions about your airplane and/or operation/domicile.

Mandrake 08-15-2016 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2181207)
1. It's required by every 121 operator that I know of.

2. It's a professional courtesy to have it handy.

3. The CA is supposed to be mentoring his/her FO. Great opportunity for the CA to show some class and handle this introduction and interaction the right way.

The CA may only look at it for a second. But that checks the box. Security is still a big deal, so expect some Captains to ask a few questions about your airplane and/or operation/domicile.


I am over being lectured on this issue. It says specifically in our FOM that jumpseat riders flowing back to the cabin are not required to provide credentials to the PIC. You might review yours as well. And if you are the guy quizzing a commuter about his job/aircraft/whatever to "prove he is really a pilot" that is just plain wrong.

450knotOffice 08-15-2016 11:24 PM

I just came home from a trip, am drinking a glass of wine and am laughing heartily as I read some of these posts. Some of you guys have a good sense of humor. :)

680crewchief 08-16-2016 04:56 AM


Originally Posted by Mandrake (Post 2181227)
I am over being lectured on this issue. It says specifically in our FOM that jumpseat riders flowing back to the cabin are not required to provide credentials to the PIC. You might review yours as well. And if you are the guy quizzing a commuter about his job/aircraft/whatever to "prove he is really a pilot" that is just plain wrong.

+1... FOM is most restrictive, so I imagine some airlines require it and some don't. Spirit does not (until they change the FOM again).

GogglesPisano 08-16-2016 08:15 AM


Originally Posted by 680crewchief (Post 2181329)
+1... FOM is most restrictive, so I imagine some airlines require it and some don't. Spirit does not (until they change the FOM again).

Apparently some jumpseat-police "respect ma authoratah"-types can't comprehend this.

rickair7777 08-16-2016 08:32 AM

Our SOP is a bit vague and may contradict itself as to whether a cabin jumpseater needs all the paperwork. SOP is clear that they do need to check in with the CA.

I don't check the docs for a cabin jumpseater because I don't think anyone cares, and the SOP probably did not intend that. But I wouldn't blame someone who felt the need to dot i's and cross t's either.

When I get a 135 pilot I do check our reciprocal list, because half the time they're not on it. While I might let such a person in the cabin, no way are they sitting in the actual. It pizzes me off that they even ask because they know darn well whether they have an agreement with us, and they should know I could get fired for letting a random non-authorized person in the cockpit.

WesternSkies 08-16-2016 12:43 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2181490)


When I get a 135 pilot I do check our reciprocal list, because half the time they're not on it. While I might let such a person in the cabin, no way are they sitting in the actual. It pizzes me off that they even ask because they know darn well whether they have an agreement with us, and they should know I could get fired for letting a random non-authorized person in the cockpit.

Each airline is different in what is normal and what will get you fired. Your airline might fire you but that isn't a global outcome.

I believe a reciprocal isn't FAA related. If they are in CASS then it is up to your airlines individual practices (and you).

Turbosina 08-16-2016 05:49 PM

Another nominee for TOTD: the FO who left his seat jacked all the way up and forward (if you've ever tried to squeeze into a CRJ, you'll know how annoying that is), with a full trash bag draped on the armrest and a sticky, leaking, extra-large soda cup in the cupholder.

And of course the ACARS printer is out of paper (it's traditionally an FO responsibility to replace the paper when it runs out)...plus the FO skipped the post flight, which was instantly obvious because not just one, but FOUR of the external security seals (an FO responsibility at my airline) are nowhere to be seen on the airframe.

Seriously? Where do we get these people?

goinaround 08-16-2016 06:21 PM


Originally Posted by Turbosina (Post 2181895)
Another nominee for TOTD: the FO who left his seat jacked all the way up and forward (if you've ever tried to squeeze into a CRJ, you'll know how annoying that is), with a full trash bag draped on the armrest and a sticky, leaking, extra-large soda cup in the cupholder.

And of course the ACARS printer is out of paper (it's traditionally an FO responsibility to replace the paper when it runs out)...plus the FO skipped the post flight, which was instantly obvious because not just one, but FOUR of the external security seals (an FO responsibility at my airline) are nowhere to be seen on the airframe.

Seriously? Where do we get these people?

Sign of the times.....


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