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RhinoBallAuto 09-04-2017 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2424980)
Here's a first amendment lesson...

The First limits the GOVERNMENT's ability to restrict your speech (federal, State and Local).

To clarify, 1st protects you from the Federal Government only... under incorporation (via the 14th) do you get protection from state/local.

Just sayin'

rickair7777 09-04-2017 04:13 PM


Originally Posted by RhinoBallAuto (Post 2424983)
To clarify, 1st protects you from the Federal Government only... under incorporation (via the 14th) do you get protection from state/local.

Just sayin'

Yes, the 14th has been interpreted over time to essentially apply the entire bill of rights and all amendments to state and local governments (as I understand it).

qball 09-04-2017 04:47 PM

The first amendement protect your right to free speech. In most cases it does not protect you from possible consequence of said speech. I.e. Your employer.

CBreezy 09-04-2017 06:17 PM


Originally Posted by qball (Post 2425005)
The first amendement protect your right to free speech. In most cases it does not protect you from possible consequence of said speech. I.e. Your employer.

It doesn't protect all speech. Even free speech has limits

at6d 09-04-2017 08:30 PM

...but the 1st is the path to protecting all of the other amendments.

Lemons 09-04-2017 09:03 PM


Originally Posted by at6d (Post 2425114)
...but the 1st is the path to protecting all of the other amendments.

That's the 2nd.

WesternSkies 09-04-2017 09:49 PM

Bear Arms for everybody!

badflaps 09-05-2017 12:12 AM

Why is there any confuzzle? Get lippy on APC and see what happens..:eek:

rickair7777 09-05-2017 03:54 AM


Originally Posted by at6d (Post 2425114)
...but the 1st is the path to protecting all of the other amendments.


Originally Posted by Lemons (Post 2425122)
That's the 2nd.

The first is the most important.

The second ensures that we get to keep the first.

RhinoBallAuto 09-05-2017 04:23 AM

Except that they were originally the third and fourth respectively... 12 amendments we're pushed out of committee as the BoR. Only ten were ratified.

Of those two, the first was never ratified, and the second became the 27th amendment in the mid-90s.

But to the point of primacy, the first had to do with the manner in which the number of representatives was calculated, and the second prohibited Representatives from giving themselves a pay raise until after an election has occurred. So before speech/arms, you can see how much the Framers really wanted to keep Congress in check.


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